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  • vilimstvor

    dakle??

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    09.12.2020. (10:12)    -   -   -   -  

  • Galaksija

    Po teološkom rezoniranju se mogu sjetiti Adama i Eve, Lilit, Isusa i Marije. Za Mariju tako svjedoče apokrifni spisi; da ju je Bog nagradio time od djetinjstva putem roditelja Ane i Joakima. :)

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    09.12.2020. (10:22)    -   -   -   -  

  • DreamOfStones

    Isus

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    09.12.2020. (10:43)    -   -   -   -  

  • Lilianke

    Haha :)))
    Ima ih, zar ne;
    da ne moram naprezati moždane vijuge, iz prvog pokušaja googlanja evo ovo:

    By Sally Mallam
    Contributing Writer

    Many of the still-accepted tenants of Christianity have roots in beliefs and traditions found in many cultures and traditions of the ancient world.

    The ancient Babylonians believed that their kings were gods upon earth
    A passage from an inscription reads: “I am Nabu-kuder-usur …. the first-born son of Nebu-pal-sur, King of Babylon. The god Bel himself created me, the god Marduk engendered me, and deposited himself the germ of my life in the womb of my mother.” Spencer’s Principles of Sociology, vol.i p 421.

    The Babylonian god Tammuz was hailed as the only begotten son of the god Ea. His mother was a virgin, by the name of Ishtar.

    Even during their lifetimes Ancient Egyptian kings were believed to be “Beneficent Gods”
    Horus of Ancient Egyptian belief had the epithet of “Savior” and was born of the virgin Isis. Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice around December 21st or so.

    A depiction on the wall of a Theban temple represents the god Thoth – the messenger of God – telling the maiden, Queen Mautmes, that she is to give birth to a divine son, who is to be King Amunothph III.

    Characters in classic Greco-Roman mythology were often Sons of God
    Hercules, the son of Jupiter by a mortal mother Alcmene, Queen of Thebes.

    Bacchus, the son of the god Jupiter and a mortal mother, Semele, daughter of Kadmus, King of Thebes.

    Perseus, son of the god Zeus by the virgin Danae, daughter of Acrisius, King of Argos.

    Romulus and Remus, the founders of Rome, were born of a Vestal Virgin whose father was Mars the God of War.

    As were Greek and Roman historical figures
    Plato – said to be born of the union of a virgin and the god Apollo.

    Alexander the Great – said to be the son of his mother Olympias and Apollo. Romans initially rejected the idea that a human ruler should be worshiped as a god. In 44 BCE, Julius Caesar permitted a statue of himself with the inscription, “The unvanquished god,” and declared himself dictator for life. This resulted in his death. But from the time of Augustus people in much of the Roman Empire worshipped their Emperors as gods, right up to the time of Constantine’s conversion and beyond. According to some sources Emperor Worship continued on in the 400’s CE.

    Zoroaster
    Zoroaster was born of an immaculate conception, of a ray of the Divine Reason. As soon as he was born the glory from his body enlightened the whole room. Plato informs us that Zoroaster was said to be “the son of Oromasdes, which was the name the Persians gave to the Supreme God.” Zoroastrian priests are called Magi.

    Mithra
    The Persian god Mithra, originally the proto-Indo-Iranian god Mitra, is thought to have travelled with Roman soldiers to become established in the Roman Empire in the 1st century, until Mithraism’s rapid decline in the early 4th century after the acceptance of Christianity by the emperor Constantine. Mithra was born on December 25th ; the same day as the Roman festival of the Sun, Natalis Invicti. His birth was witnessed by Shepherds that brought gifts to honor him.

    On the Indian Continent
    Krishna is the god Vishnu in human form; he was born of a virgin named Devaki who because of her purity, was chosen to be the mother of God: “I (the Supreme One said), I am made evident by my own power, and as often as there is a decline of virtue, and an insurrection of vice and injustice in the world, I make myself evident, and thus I appear from age to age, for the preservation of the just, the destruction of the wicked, and the establishment of virtue.” (ch.iv) The Bhagavad Gita.

    One legend has it that Gautama Buddha left Paradise and came to earth thanks also to a virgin whose name was Maya or Mary. In a manner similar to the Christian Christ, the Buddha sought to lead men to better paths; he took their sufferings upon himself, that he might expiate the crimes, and mitigate the punishment they must otherwise inevitably undergo.

    In China
    The Chinese also had their god-begotten and virgin-born men called Tien-tse or “Sons of Heaven.” Among them was Lao-tzu who was worshipped as a god and was also, like the Buddha, born under a tree and out of the side of his virgin mother.

    Yu was another virgin-born Chinese sage said to have lived many ages ago.

    Even Confucius was said to be of supernatural origin. His disciples were 72 in number but, like Jesus, only 12 were his companions to whom he explained his doctrines and charged them to continue to teach after his death.


    Čitaš knjigu Plan Krist, pa te podsjetilo, ili čisto zato kaj se Božić približava :)))))))))))) ?

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    09.12.2020. (11:27)    -   -   -   -  

  • vilimstvor

    @Lili i Dream su nažalost pali u zamku.sorry @mudricaizgalaksije je zaboravila neke ali i dodala Lilit za koju iskreno kažem da nemam pojma gdje da je smjestim
    ali je ipak ne bih smjestio jer bi onda morao i tisuće ili milijune homo Sapiensa koji su živjeli izvan Edena

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    09.12.2020. (12:50)    -   -   -   -  

  • vilimstvor

    u svakom slučaju,, poanta ovog posta jest da ne brinete jer nitko od nas nije rođen s ikakvim grijehom, bez obzira što vam lažljivci govorili.

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    09.12.2020. (13:11)    -   -   -   -  

  • Lilianke

    A tko je mislio da je itko rođen s grijehom?

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    09.12.2020. (13:15)    -   -   -   -  

  • Lilianke

    Ti si pitao tko je rođen Bezgrješnim začećem a ne tko je rođen bez Istočnoga grijeha (to je drugi , naravno iskemijani, koncept).
    Jedno je što Crkva priča, što izmišlja da 'pokrije' ideje koje su sve prisutne na svijetu od prije njenog postojanja, a drugo na što se zapravo misli.

    Bezgriješno začeće zapravo podrazumijeva bezseksualnu trudnoću u svakoj prosječnoj glavi, iako zapravo 'Čistoća majke' je puno širi pojam od neoskvrnjenog djevičanstva.
    U pitanju je SJEME NELJUDSKOG OCA, koje može i ne mora biti dano u ženu putem spolnog čina, koje mora ući u majku čija utroba nije kontaminirana genetskim materijalom prijašnjeg partnera.

    Rođenja po djevici koja je začela po Duhu svetom/Božanskom osjemenjivanju (na bilo koji tehnički način, u snu, na javi :D ) postoji od davnina na Zemlji, a jasno da su Kršćani morali nešto oko toga izmudrijati.

    Pročitaj si OVO, smatram da je vrlo interesantno.......:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegony_(pregnancy)

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    09.12.2020. (13:46)    -   -   -   -  

  • vilimstvor

    razuman čovjek svakako ne

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    09.12.2020. (13:47)    -   -   -   -  

  • Lilianke

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4282758/ i tak.... :)

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    09.12.2020. (13:51)    -   -   -   -  

  • vilimstvor

    Bezgrješno začeće Blažene Djevice Marije katolička je dogma koja tumači da je jedinstvenom Božjom povlasticom Blažena Djevica Marija očuvana od svake mrlje istočnoga grijeha od trenutka svoga začeća. Također, Marija nije bila lišena milosti posvetne, već je bila puna milosti dobivenih od Boga i živjela je život posve bez grijeha.

    Često se zamjenjuje s doktrinom, kada je Marija začela Isusa, radi se o dvije različite pojave. Prema dogmi, Marija je začeta na normalni biološki način, ali njenu dušu je stvorio Bog u vrijeme njenog začeća. Blagdan Bezgrešnog Začeća Blažene Djevice Marije, slavi se 8. prosinca. Ako 8. prosinca padne na nedjelju, svetkovina Bezgrješnog začeća prenosi se na ponedjeljak, 9. prosinca (vidi: Rangiranje liturgijskih svetkovina)"

    Utemeljio ga je papa Siksto IV. 1476. g. Dogmu je svečano proglasio, papa Pio IX. u poslanici Neizrecivi Bog (Ineffabilis Deus), 8. prosinca 1854. godine.[1] Katolička Crkva vjeruje da dogma ima potporu u Bibliji. Arkanđeo Gabrijel nazvao je Mariju kao "punu milosti", a crkveni oci nazivali su Mariju - Blaženom Djevicom. Prema katoličkoj teologiji, Marija je morala biti posve bez grijeha, da bi mogla začeti Isusa.

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    09.12.2020. (14:07)    -   -   -   -  

  • Lilianke

    Naravno, osobno nemam pojma o tome, samo se sjećam da sam prije koju godinu dosta googlala o tome, po kojekakvim člancima, i meni je ta ideja (da prva ženina trudnoća i genetski materijal partnera pri prvoj trudnoći na neki način utječu da u ostalim trudnoćama sa nekim drugim partnerom ta djeca drugog partnera mogu naslijediti i karakteristike prvog partnera njihove majke, kao da se očinstvo dijeli...........) zazvučala jako, jako zanimljivo...

    Upravo je dala objašnjenje zašto bi onima koji žele prenjeti svoje sjeme čisto (u materijalni svijet, u živu osobu koja mora prezentirati što čišće njihove gene), upravo bile potrebne djevice za to, a ne neke recimo iskusne rodilje, što bi bilo vrlo logično. Svaki porod je zeznut (može biti koban), ali kasniji jesu lakši...no velike face,; Bogovi i vanzemaljci su se opredjeljivali za djevice........

    Ova priča o prljavosti seksa, to mu dođe ko bacanje prašine u oči, 5G mreža koja prenosi koronu sistem... :-P

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    09.12.2020. (14:15)    -   -   -   -  

  • Galaksija

    Naravno da nitko nije rođen bezgrješno. :) bar za mene koja vjerujem u to... ostali imaju pravo vjerovati u što žele.

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    09.12.2020. (14:17)    -   -   -   -  

  • Lilianke

    Ahaaaa :))) Okej, želiš se držati katoličke dogme, onda sorry na spamanju! :))))

    Ispričavam se!!

    (Ovaj dio mi je hardcore:

    Prema dogmi, Marija je začeta na normalni biološki način, ali njenu dušu je stvorio Bog u vrijeme njenog začeća.

    A ko je nama ostalima stvorio dušu u vrijeme našeg začeća..no to je sad druga priča, a pitanja sama naviru......)

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    09.12.2020. (14:38)    -   -   -   -  

  • vilimstvor

    @galaksija mnogi današnji crkveni egzegeti među kojim i biblista Valdese, potpisnik mnogih hebrejsko- aramejskih-engleskih rječnika kaže;
    iako u starom zavjetu postoji pojam klanskog nasljeđivanja grijeha, u novom zavjetu on je u potpunosti dezavuiran,, iako nažalost bogato korišten u teologiji,, tako da,, nitko nije s grijehom rođen

    @Lili zna se da žena, kad prima muškarčev DNK, automatski mijenja svoj DNK, kojeg potom u 50% obliku nasljeđuje dijete bilo kojeg drugog muškarca,, stoga da! u pravu si, ali to nema veze s ovim postom

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    09.12.2020. (14:43)    -   -   -   -  

  • shadow-of-soul

    osim Isusa, nitko

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    09.12.2020. (16:00)    -   -   -   -  

  • vilimstvor

    @shadow-of-soul nepoznavanje svoje vjere nije grijeh, tvrdoglavost jeste

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    09.12.2020. (17:09)    -   -   -   -  

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