12.02.2010., petak
Dragon's confession...
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sometimes is amazing how people can surprise you and IM you just like that....and then, they tell you freely even more then you did even expect: [15:56] dragon Tarber: you want to know why ur not admin [15:56] dragon Tarber: now that im not admin ill tel u friend to friend [15:56] dragon Tarber: dmy dont like u [15:57] dragon Tarber: and thats why she laughed when i said it [15:57] Zeppa Zuta: i know :) [15:57] Zeppa Zuta: somone else alreay told me :) [15:57] Zeppa Zuta: but i was pushing to see how far does it go [15:58] Zeppa Zuta: then i gave up... [15:59] Zeppa Zuta: anyway....i was very surprised how did you treat me....you know damn well how i wasnt braking 1 single rule.....but its OK.... [16:01] Zeppa Zuta: hmmm....and what actually you mean by; "she laughed when i said it" ?....was it at time when you had lots of work to do and when you told me how you would like me to help you since i know rules and about weapons and scripting?! [16:03] dragon Tarber: she said no way in hell ill let that person in admins [16:03] Zeppa Zuta: funny...hehehe...but there was a time when she was IMing me to help her about TOS and long ago about some other things even before FC :))) [16:04] dragon Tarber: yes shes two faced [16:04] Zeppa Zuta: people are so weird sometimes.... [16:06] Zeppa Zuta: well...its funny how i was invited to be sim manager for XRPS and admin/weapon admin...SuperKat as KoL manager (ex now) said how she would love to work with me coz of my persistancy in work i do......i am good around and for others..only not for FC :))) [16:07] dragon Tarber: i know that i was all for u being weapons admin [16:07] dragon Tarber: admin but was shut down [16:09] Zeppa Zuta: well..i know why Dmy dont like me...and why she was so sceptical when is about me....but, in this case, she is the one loosing more then i do...i am not perfect..noone is....but she could use my wide knowledge about almost everything but building...in matter of XRPS, weapons, rules and TOS i know damn a lot...only am shity in building [16:09] dragon Tarber: i know and i was very for u doing it but i was shut down [16:09] Zeppa Zuta: hmm...was some particular reason for it or you had some argue with her? [16:10] Zeppa Zuta: but i still dont understand one thing Dragon [16:10] dragon Tarber: i cant lie no more [16:10] dragon Tarber: i cant do there dirty work no more [16:13] Zeppa Zuta: in cases against me....actually against Meat.....it was clear as day how i didnt brake 1 single rule......i was very surprised how did you close the case....i didnt ask for any punishment fo Meat..nothing...only let admins here to tell him how what he was doing was not wise......i even called LL and made AR against him...i was contaced and told how they will make internal investigation of case....so, i was surprised how LL id saw Meat's mistake...but you amazingly didnt but made me as guilty one... :( [16:13] dragon Tarber: they wanted me to get u in trouble [16:13] dragon Tarber: i told u i was doing dirty work [16:14] dragon Tarber: they didnt want you yapping in cc chat no more [16:14] dragon Tarber: i cant deal with being the villian to people no more [16:14] Zeppa Zuta: i am not stupid.....i am very carefull..i keep myself in frames of rules...i am not insulting anyone...i never said to anyone here "fuck you" in OOC... [16:15] dragon Tarber: i know u r but hey with corrupt owners what u want lol [16:15] Zeppa Zuta: so, you are saying me how Dmystic wanted to set me up by provoking me with such cases and make me cross the line so she can ban me? [16:15] dragon Tarber: yes [16:16] Zeppa Zuta: dang....i am speachless... [16:16] Zeppa Zuta: wel..i know why is that....i am big mouth...i always talk...discuss... [16:16] dragon Tarber: well i tell u im not dealing with this bs no more and not going to do there dirty work [16:17] Zeppa Zuta: i talk about things that most people are afraid even to mention in public [16:18] Zeppa Zuta: i never make some empty, shallow presumptions....i always use LOG and facts....anyway...2 weeks ago i gave up of everything... [16:18] Zeppa Zuta: and even month ago..when was some pile up of work for you when we did talk aout me helping you ..i knew it will be nothing of it... [16:19] dragon Tarber: i tried zeppa i did [16:19] Zeppa Zuta: but....another person told me how i must be patient.... [16:19] dragon Tarber: but when i have owners saying no way dont do anything for u i cant do anything [16:19] dragon Tarber: its all shady man they all say one thing do another [16:19] Zeppa Zuta: i know....i was told already how i am not on "white list" [16:20] Zeppa Zuta: about few days after we had talk about weapons [16:20] dragon Tarber: im telling ya they dont like ya then ur nothing to them [16:20] dragon Tarber: just like i am now [16:20] dragon Tarber: since i went off bout all this extra exp being tossed out [16:21] Zeppa Zuta: anyway..i am sure you did noticed how i did delete you from friend list 3-4 days ago... [16:21] dragon Tarber: yea i saw thats what made me thinking im losing friends over lies [16:21] Zeppa Zuta: it was nothing personal since i left Widows and deleted more then 135 people i had on my list....complete list i wiped [16:22] Zeppa Zuta: i was tired of all [16:23] Zeppa Zuta: i was fighting for Widows and for FC to make some change...at least a bit....and then what happened?...i put my ass on fire and took a risk of being banned....for WHO?....no use...not worth of my sacrifice.. [16:23] dragon Tarber: yea thats what im doing now [16:23] dragon Tarber: fuck them all its all fake friends to be honest [16:23] dragon Tarber: they say there ur friends but ther not [16:23] Zeppa Zuta: this is why i deleted complete list and left Widows and pulled out.. [16:24] Zeppa Zuta: i used to be alone and had some "friends" around....but then...i would pull out to my corner...and nooen will judge me nor i would feel any obligation [16:24] Zeppa Zuta: this is why i am alone again [16:25] Zeppa Zuta: Eve asked me for 5 times to join her family...yours i think.... [16:25] dragon Tarber: yes my clan undead [16:25] Zeppa Zuta: then Syd too...then Rafa Hanriot asked me to join HV [16:25] Zeppa Zuta: i refused all [16:25] dragon Tarber: yea alot want memebers lol [16:26] Zeppa Zuta: well...me and Rafa had some sparings...and after it he said he would liek to se me in his lines... [16:26] Zeppa Zuta: he was expecting from me to fight a lot [16:26] Zeppa Zuta: but i dont fight a lot anymore [16:26] dragon Tarber: i dotn see u fight at all [16:26] Zeppa Zuta: i do script writting most of day.. [16:27] dragon Tarber: idk if ur sleeping or changing nun gear [16:27] Zeppa Zuta: trying to make some katana sword (melee ) script [16:27] dragon Tarber: oh cool make em fast i say [16:27] dragon Tarber: like wind wones [16:27] dragon Tarber: those fast [16:28] Zeppa Zuta: most of people think i am camper.....but i said in public many times; i dare you to surprise me and report me if you caught me in camping......funny, noone ever succeded to caught me AFK but with meter running [16:29] Zeppa Zuta: even you now...you IMed me and i responded almost immediately [16:29] dragon Tarber: you know i know ur not camper they told me to keep issuing challenges to u [16:29] dragon Tarber: to make sureu werent [16:29] dragon Tarber: thats why u had so many [16:29] dragon Tarber: so many admins were told to do so [16:30] Zeppa Zuta: pfffft....i responeded to every single autochallenger [16:30] dragon Tarber: i know u did [16:30] Zeppa Zuta: they will NEVER caught me that way [16:30] dragon Tarber: i was like; his always there lol [16:31] Zeppa Zuta: Dragon...i am not some noob...i play this game with brain....i know a lot of tricks...i know rules...i am simply said; very precautious... [16:31] Zeppa Zuta: admin check, autochallengers, TOS, FC rules...OOC....nothing is where i would be able to make mistake, unless they set me up something really smartass way [16:46] Zeppa Zuta: anyway..your "resignation" does not mean you wil leave the place...right? [16:46] Zeppa Zuta: or you feel pissed off? [16:46] dragon Tarber: nope im staying [16:46] dragon Tarber: ic i wont do nothing wrong [16:46] dragon Tarber: ooc im going to tell all there little lies |
01.02.2010., ponedjeljak
ADMIN CROSS CALLS
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gagi Junior Member I believe how many of you did experience admin call...Hello...admin here...blah,blah... then you have some convo.... and suddenly...admin got silent... then you type something....then you ask something or say in general....but no respond.... then suddenly...comes some line like; "i am busy", or; "you are not only one in FC" ...or; "ahhh..this is too much"...or..etc..etc.. then you got silent and wait...and minutes are passing one by one...5...10...15...sometimes even 20..sometimes not even final word or God forgive me if i see "bye" at the end of admin call...yeah, that would be like sin of sins... now....tell me i am complaining again or how i am like this or that....but taking cross calls in the middle of temporary call....i found that as very rude, disrespectful....even insultive...and it doesnt matter does your call takes 2 minutes, 20 or 2 hours...there should be some order in calls...like at surgery...imagine you have surgery of heart then someone else pop in with surgery of liver and you put on hold heart one and jump to liver one....if majority of you is encouraging that and saying how this is OK...then i will regret for being born in country where i was, since that is something we dont even consider as option in worse possible circumstance...right now...this moment while i am typing this here...i am "on hold" in admin call without even letting me know how admin will be absent; counting for now...37 minutes...and i will be patient and i will see what time is needed to finish call....the matter fact...i tried to ask for few times " ?? 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PS; yes...i do understand how admins are busy...i do understand how admin call might be painful and long...but hey....41 minutes and counting and still no respond in admin call that is in progress....sorry guys....but thats simply not OK...usually i would really apprechiate some respond like; "brb" or "hold on"... 45 minutes...and counting... she didnt answer at all... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dmysticmagic76 Administrator FORBIDDEN OWNER This isnt a heart attack ...and i do shit outside of RP ...and cant sit in a IM of hours an hours of convo on who is right or who is wrong ..Really is getting old ..and i see it as another can of worms you about to apon..so here wa go ...let bash the admin ...shakes her head and just closes the forums ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lycanlady Administrator GODDESS OF FORBIDDEN you are complaining again and no we do not say we are dam busy every call we take every call we handle how dare you say that i work dam hard and listern to all and just because a admin dont agree with you no need to put them down this is not on we are here for all of forbidden and we do this in our own dam time most dont even get a chance to rp or if we do it o you are cheating you are favourtium ppl WE ARE NOT im sick of being dam accused of shit grow up and relax and have some fun for once srry if im abrupt but iv had enough ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michy Michy Moderator ADMIN You seem to have it out for the Admins of FC. Your failure to understand that every single one of us does this not for money, xp or anything but simply trying to help the players within this community stay strong by playing fairly. What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. When we take a call we don't know if it's going to be 5 minutes or 5 hours of our time. Your comments and posts are a huge slap in the face and frankly show your self-centered attitude not understanding that once a decision has been made, it's been made. There are channels you can go through if you are not happy yet you seem to like to come on the forum and complain about it instead. When a decision is made and a ticket is closed it's done, end of story. If you don't like the outcome then do what every other player does and seek a higher up to speak to. If you were speaking to the SIM OWNER then guess what - It's done. They have the final say in what happens here so a non-stop IM to them trying to plead your case then becomes harrassment on YOUR part. Learn to accept a decision whether in your favor or not. This is a GAME, we are ALL here to have fun. Admins across the board try to do both and at times admin calls do take the fun out it but the ones who stay and GIVE to the community have a thick skin, can blow off steam and move on with a smile. Next time you want to complain about someone not jumping to your demand for their attention fast enough after a case has been closed, I suggest you do it the right way or maybe find another place to play if we don't live up to your standards. We aren't here for one player we're here for everyone. We aren't our characters when we take calls we are the adults sitting behind the screen listening to both sides of the story and trying to find a common ground for all parties so we can all move on and play the game. If you feel like you've been wronged so badly then find somewhere else to play, but don't you dare come on this forum and continually bash the people who give their time to try and make this a place for you to enjoy by making their life hell. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gagi Junior Member every case that includes my name is heart attack for me...i dont care about other cases....i am taking admin call very seriously.. well..i am sorry Dmy...its nothing personal...i understand you might be busy a lot...i never said anything against that....but i think how some words like; "OK, brb....hold on...laterz....see ya...bye...etc.." would be really apropriate....i am not saying admins must justify every single minute of theirs....but for God sake...at least "closing this window...bye" would be awesome....imagine you call me and we talk and suddenly i stop responding in the middle of call....if not punishing me you would and many would at least say; "damn....what an attitude...he left in the middle of convo without word..." i am sory if you found yourself offended....but lets stick to fact; "did admin said BYE at least, in case i am refering about?" please...dont over react on my words, i have NEVER been rude to any admin here and noone can say how i was crossing the line with language and names....sure, i do talk a lot and i am analysing every single detail....but i keep my self in frames of politenes, rules and facts...facts by LOG....SL LOG....if anyone can deny that and prove oposite...i am willing to not only leave FC but even delete account Zeppa Zuta... sorry Dmy...disagreement in opinion does NOT mean i dont like you.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gosh...i know my English is not perfect...but did i accuse anyone...did i harass anyone....all i said here is how is rude to disappear in the middle of call without saying BYE at least...is that so much i am asking?....well; BYE :P |
Flying Circus of Mont...i mean...Dragon Tarber
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sometimes i wonder where is end of peoples scruple and hypocrisy....well....just give yourself a try to read this and realize a reality of people we are surrounded by; [11:16] Zeppa Zuta: hi Dragon [11:16] dragon Tarber: yes [11:16] Zeppa Zuta: are you busy? [11:16] dragon Tarber: we about to fight in aussie why [11:17] Zeppa Zuta: should i IM you in about 10-15 minutes then? [11:17] dragon Tarber: whats up i think we can talk till it happens [11:18] Zeppa Zuta: i cant sleep for last 2 days coz i am trying to analizes couple of words....and i really wish you gave me 1 little answer.....its very simple actually...i just hope you wont cut me off [11:19] dragon Tarber: i cant discuss this matter with you no more on that call its out of my hands zeppa [11:19] Zeppa Zuta: nonono [11:19] dragon Tarber: im told i can not speak of it [11:19] dragon Tarber: so i wont [11:19] Zeppa Zuta: not about that [11:19] dragon Tarber: ok [11:19] dragon Tarber: about what then [11:19] Zeppa Zuta: i am wondering what made you think my attitude level was LOWER [11:20] dragon Tarber: what i never said taht [11:20] Zeppa Zuta: i was reading all my words....and i cant understand why would you think i was one rude and "low level" [11:20] Zeppa Zuta: 36060 Close Edit 2d 14h 41m Forbidden City dragon Tarber /9 admin Ticket dragon tarber Zeppa Zuta: (http://slurl.com/secondlife/Forbidden+City/48.68/41.43/56.45) Meat Supply verbal abuse outcome-imed meat and told him to not go to zeppas level since zeppa imed him and was threating him... [11:20] Zeppa Zuta: "to not go to Zeppas level" [11:20] dragon Tarber: zeppa i said i cant talk about that no more [11:20] Zeppa Zuta: please Dragon [11:20] dragon Tarber: no i cant [11:20] dragon Tarber: and i wont [11:21] Zeppa Zuta: why my level is lower then Meats? [11:21] Zeppa Zuta: i wasnt rude...i was NOT one who was saying rude words like; fuck you" [11:21] Zeppa Zuta: Drag...i am talking with you as person to person....why my level was lower there by your oppinion?! [11:21] Zeppa Zuta: what made you think so? [11:22] dragon Tarber: i cant say i cant talk about it [11:22] Zeppa Zuta: was any particular word? [11:22] dragon Tarber: i wont sorry [11:22] Zeppa Zuta: do you have something against me in personal? [11:22] Zeppa Zuta: please Dragon [11:22] Zeppa Zuta: it really bothers me a lot [11:22] Zeppa Zuta: half of world knows i was not rude [11:23] Zeppa Zuta: only you saw it as rude and ..."lower level" [11:23] Zeppa Zuta: please....i wont mind you if you were mad at me and wanted to cool me down [11:23] Zeppa Zuta: i just need to know what was my mistake? [11:24] Zeppa Zuta: we should learn by mistakes...every time....but in this case i really dont see what was my mistake... [11:24] Zeppa Zuta: and you as admin should suggest me about mistakes i made [11:24] Zeppa Zuta: and make sure i am introduced to mistake so i dont do that in future [11:24] Zeppa Zuta: please Dragon....why is this so difficult?! [11:25] Zeppa Zuta: can we use some alternative method of communicaiotn? [11:25] dragon Tarber: the case is closed zeppa [11:25] Zeppa Zuta: yes [11:25] Zeppa Zuta: i agree [11:25] dragon Tarber: and thats that i wont discuss it no more [11:25] dragon Tarber: so drop it [11:25] Zeppa Zuta: but i should be suggested and pointed to mistake i did [11:26] Zeppa Zuta: what was my mistake? [11:26] dragon Tarber: appeal in forumn if u like but for me case closed [11:26] Zeppa Zuta: please [11:26] Zeppa Zuta: yes..i did...but noone is replaying [11:26] Zeppa Zuta: so, please...what was my mistake? [11:26] Zeppa Zuta: Dragon what is the problem in answering me what was my mistake...since case is closed and nothign can be changed [11:27] Zeppa Zuta: i want to LEARN [11:27] Zeppa Zuta: i want to learn on my mistakes so i dont repeat the same mistake [11:27] Zeppa Zuta: but you are refusing to help me.... [11:28] dragon Tarber: zeppa the case is close stop iming me about it [11:28] Zeppa Zuta: but admin is supposed to point on mistake of players....or not? [11:29] Zeppa Zuta: ok....thanks a lot Dragon...i have enough....thanks for your try anyway [11:29] Zeppa Zuta: sorry for disturbing your IM [11:29] Zeppa Zuta: bye ok...lets see now what does other SENIOR ADMIN thinks about same quesiton; [11:32] Zeppa Zuta: hey Jasmine [11:35] Zeppa Zuta: i have one little question and you as SENIOR ADMIN of FC is perfect choice; "if player make some mistake and have admin call.....should admin make sure that player is introduced to mistake he did....and also make sure that player understand it explain it in matter of prevention and to make player LEARN BY MISTAKES?!" [11:40] Jasmine Kass: that what we try to do zeppa [11:40] Jasmine Kass: half of my admin calls are FYI [11:40] Jasmine Kass: and mentoring [11:40] Jasmine Kass: to say [11:40] Jasmine Kass: here [11:40] Jasmine Kass: is what happened [11:40] Jasmine Kass: this si why it was called [11:40] Jasmine Kass: this is how it shoudl have been handled or done or rpd [11:40] Jasmine Kass: this is an fyi [11:40] Jasmine Kass: just hadn one [11:41] Zeppa Zuta: "for your information" [11:41] Zeppa Zuta: hmm, very nice answer ................. [11:49] Zeppa Zuta: Mr Dragon playing some great game....if his intentions were honorable and truthful....he WOULD give me that answer....as he is so obviously hidding behind "case closed" and "appeal on forum" ( what i already did but no one is responding ) [11:49] Zeppa Zuta: it tells me a lot more then i should even know..... hmmm, Jasmine is smart lady....and now i am very confused, how is possible that Dragon Tarber and Jasmine Kass, both SENIOR ADMINS of Forbidden City have such a diametrical opposite view about such a elementar thing?!?!? ....something smell here...but, lets check one more FC admin to hear 2nd opinion; [12:06] Zeppa Zuta': i have one little quesiton for you as you are admin....i have one little quesiton from aspect of player who is learning :)) [12:07] Zeppa Zuta': "if player make some mistake and have admin call.....should admin make sure that player is introduced to mistake he did....and also make sure that player understand it explain it in matter of prevention and to make player LEARN BY MISTAKES?!" [12:22] DeviousDeevah Boyd': where are you goin w/ this zep [12:23] Zeppa Zuta': nowhere...why? [12:24] Zeppa Zuta': i am interested in that....let we say i am admin...and i have some player on call...am i supposed to introduce him to mistake and explain him in matter of prevention he understand it and to avoid do the same mistake in future [12:24] DeviousDeevah Boyd': yes, and? hmmm...is my mind really fucked up so hard or now is really clear how something smells here like 5 days dead fish...hehehehe...i think how Dragon proved him self as ADMIN and as MAN... |
Dragon Tarber aka Devil's Advocate
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since i was informed with evidence how Meat Supply was spying on me trough another person by using remote chat spying device....since ADMINS of FC are ALWAYS suggesting to IM the person first and make it between each other...then call AMDIN if we cant agree....so i did like that... [5:29] Zeppa Zuta: Meat, very polite and calm friendly advice, this what you are doing and what you did might be considered as serious LL-TOS violation that might include suspenssion of SL account for a while...or at least smoe serious warning from LL.....please...let it go so...if you all can see...i IMed him and politely asked him to not do that....and i make sure he is introduced how such things are not welcome and how LINDEN LAB is the one who might take some actions against such things...NOT me...but...then..lets see "SAME POLITENESS" i received in return; [5:29] Meat Supply': go fuck yourself [5:30] Meat Supply': fuck off you jack face [5:31] Meat Supply': suck my cock fat boy [5:31] Meat Supply': fag* [5:31] Meat Supply': get out of my box [5:32] Meat Supply': i did not im you your out of line [5:34] Zeppa Zuta': bye [5:34] Meat Supply': fuck you [5:34] Meat Supply': cock sucker hmmmm....that was very classy and gentlemen like respond....i am sure how every admin and Linden Lab would be amased of such a high level of vocabular....really awesome...i am sure how many would be proud of having such player beside... and then like "cream on pie" comes Dragon with his final conclussion that was real HEART ATTACK for me; 36060 Close Edit 2d 14h 41m Forbidden City dragon Tarber /9 admin Ticket dragon tarber Zeppa Zuta: (http://slurl.com/secondlife/Forbidden+City/48.68/41.43/56.45) Meat Supply verbal abuse outcome-imed meat and told him to not go to zeppas level since zeppa imed him and was threating him... "to not go to Zeppas LEVEL" ????? "THREATING him in IM"?!?!?!!? my LEVEL???....if my level was below his level....then "fuck you cock sucker" is what?!? is that HIGHER level?...level of gentleman and pure politeness?! can anyone tell me how wrong i am?!?...please...is this Twilight Zone?!?.....what am i missing here can anyone really tell me how Meats level was HIGHER and mine was rude, disrespectful and threating....please...confirm me that and i am going to kill my parents coz they did raise me completely unacceptable for this planet.... |
Meat Supply and his supplies
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Do you know what is LL - TOS? Linden Lab Terms of Serivce....final and highest rule of Second Life...everyone MUST obey to it...and SIM owners must be strict to it as well coz noone likes shit in their yard to happen....now, let me show you an example where innocent victim easily became guilty one...yeah, its possible :) (short description; Paris Pollemis and Meat Supply partners, Paris close friend with Zeppa, Paris has been collared by Meat and "wired" so Meat can monitor Paris's chat, without her knowledge and without introduction other parties...) (Paris pasting convo with Meat to Zeppa) [5:24] Paris Pollemis': [2010/01/23 5:18] Meat Supply: dont even say here we go again [2010/01/23 5:18] Meat Supply: cause [2010/01/23 5:18] Meat Supply: you can cry all night over kos [2010/01/23 5:18] Meat Supply: and [2010/01/23 5:18] Meat Supply: you cxan have tyour best fucking friend and you can go watch a fucking movie [5:26] Paris Pollemis': [13:19:18] meat supply: fiuck you [13:19:27] meat supply: go play with your best friend [13:20:48] meat supply: you spent half the night all excited about zeppa sending you songs [13:20:55] meat supply: crying over koss [13:21:23] meat supply: what you say about me [13:21:26] meat supply: meat is good [13:21:28] meat supply: oh oh [13:21:32] meat supply: but zeppa [13:21:36] meat supply: your best fucking freinmd so, its clear visible how Meat knew about things that only Zeppa and Paris were talking about and i can be 1000% sure how no one was in range, the matter fact we were completely alone in that part of sim....so, now, here comes the part of confirmation how Meat was spying by way of remote monitoring of chat with collar "device"; [5:48] Zeppa Zuta': just tell me one thing!!! [5:48] Zeppa Zuta': NOW!!!! [5:48] Zeppa Zuta': did you or you did NOT know you are wearing collar that is sending him IMs?!?! [5:49] Paris Pollemis': i didnt know he had my chat on, no ok, and lets see how things were going in IM with Meat Supply; [5:29] Zeppa Zuta: Meat, very polite and calm friendly advice, this what you are doing and what you did might be considered as serious LL-TOS violation that might include suspenssion of SL account for a while...or at least smoe serious warning from LL.....please...let it go [5:29] Meat Supply': excuse me [5:29] Meat Supply': go fuck yourself [5:29] Meat Supply': im allowed to dump a giorl if i want [5:30] Meat Supply': fuck off you jack face [5:30] Meat Supply': stop typing [5:31] Zeppa Zuta': yes, but what you are doing is not even legal matter, after all, the way you do it is not dumping but can be described as serious TOS violation.....and since Paris is in shock you might consider me as her persnoal lawyer [5:31] Meat Supply': suck my cock fat boy [5:31] Meat Supply': fag* [5:31] Meat Supply': get out of my box [5:32] Meat Supply': i did not im you your out of line [5:32] Zeppa Zuta': http://www.myspace.com/9a6aag >>> this is fag you are talking about [5:32] Meat Supply': no [5:32] Meat Supply': im talking about the guy who is a nun you dick face [5:33] Meat Supply': ohh who is this [5:33] Meat Supply': wow ty [5:33] Zeppa Zuta': that NUN is that guy [5:33] Meat Supply': ill post that in my profile since you gave it to me [5:33] Meat Supply': ty guy [5:33] Zeppa Zuta': sure [5:33] Meat Supply': no [5:33] Meat Supply': dont im me one more time [5:33] Meat Supply': ok [5:33] Meat Supply': bye bye [5:34] Zeppa Zuta': dont worry....i wont discuss with you anymore...AR is going up ...this moment [5:34] Zeppa Zuta': bye [5:34] Meat Supply': fuck you [5:34] Meat Supply': cock sucker well...we have here an polite attempt of warning what might be consequences for such violations...but all that came in return was some nice gentleman like vocabulary that did really impress me....i am speachless, i am sure how this eloquence must be rewarded somehow... but...to be continued.... :) |
SNR ADMIN Dragon Tarber and his LL buddy
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how does look like when SENIOR ADMIN of Forbidden City sim who should be an example of transparency and legal way of doing his job, simply cross the line by reaching into sphere of; "hey, my dad is stronger then yours" ...hehehehe, let me show you what am i talking about; [2010/01/18 19:26] dragon Tarber: forbidden admin zeppa your not suppose to be talking to johnny at all so stop right now [2010/01/18 19:26] Zeppa Zuta: i am not supposed to even talk to Johny?......i thought it was oly for 1 day [2010/01/18 19:26] dragon Tarber: no it sforever [2010/01/18 19:26] Zeppa Zuta: this is what i was told [2010/01/18 19:27] dragon Tarber: no u werent [2010/01/18 19:27] dragon Tarber: its forever so stop [2010/01/18 19:27] Zeppa Zuta: to give him a break at least for 24 hours [2010/01/18 19:27] dragon Tarber: stop talking to him now [2010/01/18 19:27] Zeppa Zuta: i dont talk to him at all... [2010/01/18 19:27] Zeppa Zuta: it was only in FC chat few lines [2010/01/18 19:27] dragon Tarber: dont matter do no talk to him [2010/01/18 19:27] dragon Tarber: please an ty [2010/01/18 19:28] Zeppa Zuta: is he some way extra protected? [2010/01/18 19:28] dragon Tarber: lycan had requsted that you do not speak to each other please obey that [2010/01/18 19:28] Zeppa Zuta: you know and everybody else knows how i didnt brake 1 single rule over him [2010/01/18 19:29] dragon Tarber: keep away please case close [2010/01/18 19:29] Zeppa Zuta: sure.... [2010/01/18 19:30] Zeppa Zuta: Dragon....this is new IM....as Zeppa to Dragon now [2010/01/18 19:31] Zeppa Zuta: you know i can be smartass and IM somone and initiate some hike on Johny..without saying 1 word in public....but i didnt do that [2010/01/18 19:32] Zeppa Zuta: and noone wouldnt be able to prove anything....so, that way it might happen by time how 200 people will be not allowed to talk to Johny anymore [2010/01/18 19:32] dragon Tarber: zeppa i was told you and him have major problem so please just leave hiom alone no more drama this is why [2010/01/18 19:33] dragon Tarber: you were stalking him zeppa so just leave him be please [2010/01/18 19:33] Zeppa Zuta: i have no any problem at all....he is the problem...he is disrespectfull to rules..and not only to me but i heard he did it with some other players too.... [2010/01/18 19:33] Zeppa Zuta: stalking him? [2010/01/18 19:33] Zeppa Zuta: is that new accustaion? [2010/01/18 19:34] Zeppa Zuta: i didnt move out of FC sinc ei came here [2010/01/18 19:34] dragon Tarber: no thas is why you cant talkto him in the first place [2010/01/18 19:34] dragon Tarber: i dont want to talk about this no more i asked for you to please stop talking to him and tahts all i asked [2010/01/18 19:34] Zeppa Zuta: i did stop...but i think it woudl be also nice to have some reasonable explanations [2010/01/18 19:35] Zeppa Zuta: coz if my name is defamed b some 3rd person and unfairly accused or acitons i didnt do it...i will bring up to LL [2010/01/18 19:36] Zeppa Zuta: and we all know how LL has most powerfull authority above anyone on SL [2010/01/18 19:36] Zeppa Zuta: so...this is not arguing...nor smartassing [2010/01/18 19:36] Zeppa Zuta: i am just sticking to the FACTS [2010/01/18 19:36] dragon Tarber: k thats fine if you wanto do that and we will give them the logs [2010/01/18 19:36] Zeppa Zuta: facts by LOG [2010/01/18 19:36] dragon Tarber: stop stalking him and stop talking to him [2010/01/18 19:37] Zeppa Zuta: ok, so you are saying i am stalking him.. [2010/01/18 19:37] Zeppa Zuta: making LL report [2010/01/18 19:37] dragon Tarber: fine go ahead ill send them my logs as well [2010/01/18 19:37] dragon Tarber: btw my friend works for linden labs good luck [2010/01/18 19:37] Zeppa Zuta: my logs (those you have) are all IC [2010/01/18 19:38] Zeppa Zuta: my friend works too...but you did brake the TOS for threating with abusing of powers.....Dragon...we are friends...but you are not going in nice direction [2010/01/18 19:47] Zeppa Zuta: done interesting, and lets see what does Linden Lab say about such aproach to players; [2010/01/19 9:22] T**** Linden: HI Zeppa, we're absolutely barred from showing favoritism to accounts. So if you've got somebody playing the "my friend is a Linden" card and you have any concern about the way an abuse issue is being handled, you should file a Complaint style ticket to go with any abuse reports. We'll investigate internally. as you can see...a nice example of how does SENIOR ADMIN is dealing with cases....i am sure how FC owners are proud to have such a gem of a man :) OK...many will make conclusion how i am some big mouthy bastard who is always whining and complaining.....well, yeah, maybe i am, and as long as there will be people like Dragon i will whine and complain....now, some might say; ahh....this is only a game, whats the point of being so pushy, just let it go!...EXACTLY....this is a game, so why people like Dragon even have to make situations that are like "ahh, let it go" ....however, i know i am fighting a windmills and how i will lost at the end even probably be banned from all sims and maybe even XRPS....but i will prove them how it was NOT me braking the rules but it was few of them who were not able to be objective and stick to the same....i will prove them how they are nothing more and nothing less but HUMANS :) |
Michaela Aldrin in scene of "Mission Impossible"
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well...what to say...almighty Michaela took her self a rigth to say; "coz i say so" ....so, all things you were learning and believe like; "LOG IS A FACT" you can forget now since Michaela just introduced some new standards of admining in XRPS :) [20:40] Michaela Aldrin: Hello Zeppa, Forbidden Adminm can I have a moment of your time please? [20:40] Zeppa Zuta: yes [20:42] Michaela Aldrin: Ok, from this point on the rp and everything else with the player Johnathen Bates is over. Let it end and stay away from him for the rest of the night. You've been on him trying to get him to RP for a while now and he doesn't wish to continue. Let it go. [20:43] Zeppa Zuta: everything in frames of rules dear Michaela....only thing he did was refusing to RP in general......and i was IMed by admin already asked would i like to make admin call against him; i said; NO..ill give him a chance [20:43] Michaela Aldrin: Well he made the call and that's me decision so let it go. [20:44] Michaela Aldrin: If you'd like to make an admin call against him, you of course may. However as of this point the rp ends as it's coming off as harrassment let it go. [20:45] Zeppa Zuta: does he have any legal excuse why should i let him go?...or its just his wish like that?...i am asking you now coz i will use this call as legal benchmark in case i will find myself in same situation [20:46] Michaela Aldrin: Zeppa this isn't a court of law. I made my decision let the guy go period end of story. [20:46] Zeppa Zuta: and please, i want to have written record what made you decission on what point harassment was started to be considered. [20:47] Zeppa Zuta: i politely ask you to paste me part that did convince you that RP became harassment [20:48] Zeppa Zuta: if your decision was just maden subjectively, i am asking exclussion of this case and raising it to higher ranked admin, thank you [20:51] Zeppa Zuta: just for info Michaela, with all respect to your admin title, but, to make such decission yuo must have basis for such decission (and covered with LOGS, coz when i was admin we were thought how only LOG is the FACT) [20:53] Zeppa Zuta: so, if decission was maden by subjective estimation, then i might consider it as favorising, coz there were not basis for declaring state of HARASSEMENT [20:54] Zeppa Zuta: this is RP sim, so , anything in frames of rules of this sim that was done, it can not be taken as harassement [20:54] Michaela Aldrin: LycanLady will IM you. [20:55] Zeppa Zuta: well, we should do that way even earlier [20:55] Michaela Aldrin: Please wait for her IM. [20:56] Zeppa Zuta: if anyone here in FC knows TOS to the bone, trust me Michaela, that would be me :)) [20:57] Michaela Aldrin: Zeppa enough, wait for Lycan's IM. [21:01] Zeppa Zuta: hmm, please, dont talk to me like that...i wasnt rude to you at any moment ("Zeppa enough......sounds like polite way of "shut up" ) ....usually it would not sound like that, but i have such feeling now...sorry...i didnt mean to upset you with my comments [21:02] Michaela Aldrin: You asked for a Sr Admin, I told you one would be contacting you. Which means I have done as you asked. Have a nice night. [21:03] Zeppa Zuta: ohh, ok....i am sorry; yuo didnt say Bye to me so i thought we are still talking [21:03] Zeppa Zuta: ok, in that case bye and now a bit with Lycan: [21:03] LycanLady Magic: Hi Forbidden snr admin here can i speak with you [21:03] Zeppa Zuta: yes Lycan [21:04] LycanLady Magic: stop ims with Mich for one [21:04] LycanLady Magic: ty [21:04] LycanLady Magic: ok [21:04] Zeppa Zuta: hahha [21:04] Zeppa Zuta: she didnt say Bye to me [21:04] Zeppa Zuta: so i thougth we aer still in IM [21:05] LycanLady Magic: ok i read the logs [21:05] Zeppa Zuta: OK [21:05] Zeppa Zuta: and? [21:05] Zeppa Zuta: did i cross any rule line? [21:06] Zeppa Zuta: was my RP or action wrong in any possible way that might be considered as violation of FC ruls or TOS? [21:07] LycanLady Magic: he dont want to rp with you there is a past so you should move onto some one that does ill talk to him about he refusl to rp but trying to make someone rp and then following them to make then is pointless [21:07] LycanLady Magic: rp with someone that want to [21:07] Zeppa Zuta: he could make and OOC statement and everything would be different [21:08] Zeppa Zuta: but i am glad you did noticed how i didnt brake the rule in 1 single line or action [21:08] LycanLady Magic: he stayed quiet so he wouldnt go ooc [21:09] LycanLady Magic: so best of playing rp someone else and leave him be he dont want rp with you means he no fun [21:09] LycanLady Magic: :P [21:09] Zeppa Zuta: hahha :))) [21:09] Zeppa Zuta: only coz i really like you i will accept this explanation as some reasonable one .)) [21:10] LycanLady Magic: so best stay away from each other and find someone else to rp with hun blah, blah, blah, blah....etc..etc...however, its clearly visible how i am keeping myself in frames of rules and some would say how i am playing some smartass way, well, even if i do, but its evident how i am not the one braking the rules, at least not seriously... |
Ashen Karas from ashes to ashes
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some L16 guy named Johnathen Bates always run to non com if you attack him and repeatedly TP out in same situations...so, lets see how does admins handle such cases, and please..put on some diapers unless you want to piss your panties coz of laugh :) [18:28] Vlad Thalheimer: Johny, its not wise to TP out, do that few times and you might get banned, you know that very well, so please....i beg you....just try to play by the rules...this is RP sim for God sake, dont make dramas out of ordinary play, after all you spent too much time in combat sims so you cant say how you dont know rules of play....please...grow up and dont try with admin calls coz if i start to call admins you really wont end up nice way....and trust me; seeing you banned does NOT brings me any joy!! [18:28] Johnathen Bates: shut up whacko! [18:28] Johnathen Bates: your now muted! hmm..ok...and here comes admin call as funniest part; [18:37] Ashen Karas: hey ya Vald. Admin here, you made a call? [18:37] Vlad Thalheimer': hello [18:38] Ashen Karas': how can I help? [18:39] Vlad Thalheimer': i woudl like to report player named Johnathen Bates who did TP out on my attempt to RP and i warned him in IM (since it isnt first time he did) how i politely please him to not do that, but he replied with insultive vocabular what did really disturb me [18:39] Ashen Karas': can you send me the log please? :) [18:44] Vlad Thalheimer': yes...just fnished copy and typing explanation in it [18:44] Ashen Karas': ok, send when you can. [18:50] Ashen Karas': Thanks Vlad. DO you have a log of the rp before he TPed out? [18:51] Vlad Thalheimer': well..point is...he did TP out right when i did aproach....i didnt even had time to finish my line [18:51] Ashen Karas': I dont see anythng showing there was an exhisting rp, or a combat. [18:51] Ashen Karas': I dont see anything that compelled him to hang around, I mean. [18:52] Vlad Thalheimer': he do that always so i gave up of begging him of a little bit of respect and tolerance since he is actively participating in game, L16 [18:52] Vlad Thalheimer': ok [18:52] Vlad Thalheimer': if you want to see it on act....i will TP you...then i will go to him...try to make 1 line [18:52] Vlad Thalheimer': and he will go NON COM or TP out [18:52] Vlad Thalheimer': we can do little test if you like [18:53] Ashen Karas': show me what happened before 18:07 [18:54] Ashen Karas': give me 5 minutes before that. I wnat to see what lead up to it. [18:54] Vlad Thalheimer': nothing...coz he dont even give a chance to RP or fight [18:54] Ashen Karas': in a log, please. [18:55] Ashen Karas': ok, so Vlad, your saying there wasnt an exhisting fight, or an exhisting RP? [18:55] Ashen Karas': your saying he just TPed out as you approched him? [18:55] Vlad Thalheimer': ok....delete that one..sending same but with more log [18:55] Ashen Karas': ok [18:57] Vlad Thalheimer': i am going to wander around and make simple RP [18:57] Ashen Karas': ok, Vlad. [18:58] Ashen Karas': there is no rule that says that someone cant tp away, if there is no ongoing RP or combat. [18:58] Vlad Thalheimer': ok [18:58] Vlad Thalheimer': give me few minutes and you will have RP with obvious TP out :) [18:59] Ashen Karas': Vlad. Currently Im only interested in what has already happened. [18:59] Vlad Thalheimer': it happened that he did TP out on purpose [18:59] Vlad Thalheimer': and amazingly...as soon as i did move out....he did appear back [19:00] Ashen Karas': lookign at your IM logs, when you tell someone to grow up, it is infering tha they are acting childish. be careful what you say to ppl, ok? espically when what you have said is actualyl incorrect. [19:00] Vlad Thalheimer': i know....it was my only word of mistake... [19:01] Vlad Thalheimer': but if encouraging people to TP out and refusing to RP and such things are welcome here....then i will leave place by myself [19:02] Ashen Karas': ok, Vlad. look. I suggest tht you guy avoid each other. I dont think the rules encourage ppl to tp out. but there is noting compelling someone to rp with someone else, if the rp hasnt actually started. ok? And based on how you two get on, its proberly the right thing to do. [19:03] Vlad Thalheimer': thank you for your time [19:04] Vlad Thalheimer': at least i made a record [19:05] Vlad Thalheimer': just tell me one thing [19:05] Ashen Karas': yes? [19:05] Vlad Thalheimer': how many times can happen coencidency that he TP out of sim exactly at moment when i stand in front of him before it became suspicious?? [19:05] Vlad Thalheimer': 2...5...20? [19:08] Vlad Thalheimer': [19:05] Rosie Amiot: he is over here hun [19:06] Vlad Thalheimer: where?? [19:06] Vlad Thalheimer: fast give me coordinates [19:07] Rosie Amiot: im talkin to giz hes over next to us [19:07] Vlad Thalheimer: and now? [19:07] Rosie Amiot: he just tped out [19:07] Vlad Thalheimer: is he still here? [19:07] Vlad Thalheimer: ahhhhh [19:08] Vlad Thalheimer': is it OBVIOUS now? [19:09] Ashen Karas': there is no rule, if you take a look, stopping someoen from TPing out, as long as there is no combat, or rp. in this case, there wasnt. [19:09] Vlad Thalheimer': so...i must catch him in combat [19:10] Ashen Karas': if you want him to stay, yes. [19:10] Vlad Thalheimer': cool, that means he cant TP 100000 times every time i am trying to run on him....and same i can do if somone do the same to me if i am sure how somone will attack me? [19:12] Ashen Karas': Im simply telling you what the rules are. I did find that he insulted you however and there will consequences for that. Thankyou for your call. [19:13] Vlad Thalheimer': ok, so what i figuer out is, any time i see enemies are running on me....i will simply TP out before they did apply at least 1 offensive skill on me, and my actions of TP out will be justified, is that right? [19:13] Ashen Karas': as long as combat or rp hasnt started, Vlad. [19:16] Vlad Thalheimer': but, if i do participate in RP combat sim, with my meter ON....and if anyone try to make RP with me that would be obvious ATTACK RP ...and i ALWAYS use technique of TP out....over and over again...admins wont be able to take any actions against me?....coz i joust found great way how to avoid being in RP/combat that would end with obvious defeate of my character [19:16] Ashen Karas': If you are involved in a rp scene, or combat, and you TP out, you would have broken a rule. I hope thats clear. [19:17] Vlad Thalheimer': ok, may i ask you now [19:17] Vlad Thalheimer': when i am involved in RP?...is it engough to say Hello to character and RP can be considered as started? [19:18] Ashen Karas': not in my view, no. [19:18] Ashen Karas': vlad, stop looking for ways to bend the intent of the rule. you know what RP is. [19:19] Vlad Thalheimer': so, if player does not respond to me we say that RP didnt start....so again, this has no sense....next time if enemy will say a word to me like (mandatory line of RP with 4 words) and i will simply TP out....coz i didnt respond on RP line yet [19:20] Vlad Thalheimer': so we consider it as RP didnt start [19:20] Ashen Karas': I think your missing the point. 4 words arnt one word. "hello" is one word. If soneone rp's 4 words to you, and you tp you, your tping from a rp. [19:22] Vlad Thalheimer': "hello, how are you?" and if he TP out he is considered as TP out from ongoing RP [19:22] Vlad Thalheimer': OK, thanks, this is what i wanted to know [19:23] Vlad Thalheimer': and now off record.... [19:23] Ashen Karas': thre is no off record. [19:24] Vlad Thalheimer': this is silly...coz everytime enemy is aproaching to you you can simply TP to next sim and avodiing being defeated...and you can repeat that and reach L25 without being defeated even 1 single time and everything is fine [19:24] Vlad Thalheimer': point is; he knows i will attack him [19:24] Vlad Thalheimer': coz i always do and he always TP out [19:24] Vlad Thalheimer': i cant even type 1 damn line of 4 words and he is out already [19:25] Vlad Thalheimer': this is the hole in rules....i cant accept that [19:26] Vlad Thalheimer': otherwise from now i will always use that practice....when i see them buffing selves and moving to me....i woudl simply TP out...gosh [19:26] Vlad Thalheimer': i am missing the point of playing this game if we would all TP out like that [19:26] Vlad Thalheimer': i am bring it up to forum [19:27] Vlad Thalheimer': to make an public discussion about such example [19:27] Vlad Thalheimer': thanks for your time [19:27] Ashen Karas': your welcome to. just dont use any part of this conversation. [19:27] Vlad Thalheimer': i know :)) [19:29] Vlad Thalheimer': and would be good if that subject will be discussed by admins coz soon it might became as general practice by all who would be out of mood for fight or RP [19:29] Vlad Thalheimer': see you Ash :) [19:27] Ashen Karas': your welcome to. just dont use any part of this conversation. dont worry Ashen...i wont....muahahaahaha :))))))) |
Michaela Aldrin in Wonderland
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who is Michaela Aldrin? she is one decent but sometimes overreactive girl who is very ambitious, but proportionally to that she....hmmm...i wont be the one judging her, judge by yourself; FC public chat: [2009/12/29 21:01] Zeppa Zuta: i have one general question; we speak about SL as virtual place, something unreal, something where we can be what we are not in real, place where we can do ANYTHING, then, we come to RP zones, combat ones, even DARK RP sims, we kill each other constantly what is already woow, but then, despite the fact of unreal situation and everything based on virtuality and imagination, 99% of people are settign some limits like; no cutting, no rape, no scat, no taking clothes off, no piss, no shit, no humiliation, no ass slaping, no blowing into ear, no forcing to eat cakes, no this, no that, no,no, no....whats the point of SL, RP, even DARK RP if we set so many NO?!?!?!...what does make you set all thoes NO?! hm, or i really miss the point how SL isnt unreal actually?!?!...i am playing SL since August 2006. and i have never set 1 single NO limit and look at me...healty and in 1 piece still...i mean...WTF, i will never understand all those limit...hmm [21:06] Michaela Aldrin: hi Zeppa... jr admin here... just to answer your question on a sim rules basis (which is being updated ) The Judgement sim has zero limits, the other three sims have on a no rape and no perm mutiliation limts in effect. However people can FastForward out of situation they are personally uncomfortable with but the rp in essence still happened with the FastForward. [21:09] Michaela Aldrin: you can also do /9admin and ask for rules clarification to explain more. [21:10] Zeppa Zuta: thanks for your comment, btw; you never appologized me for your overreaction there on the field....i mean, Dagon did apologize instead of you, but things usually does not work that way in SL nor RL, at least you did learn what does NPC means and you will learn a lot more hopefully, and this is just a little digression, and when is about rules, hmm, dont get me wrong, but i was developing some general WARPS rules, and those RP ones i know on my mental :) [21:14] Zeppa Zuta: oh, btw; i said; "i have one general question"..what means it is related to all SL...every RP area [21:14] Zeppa Zuta: any XRPS, CCS or DCS [21:15] Zeppa Zuta: i was refereing about people as individuals, not about FC [21:15] Zeppa Zuta: hmmm, thanks for your try, and, you still didnt appologize :)) [21:19] Zeppa Zuta: anway, i see...and..thanks for your attempt to clarify question i didnt even ask :) [21:20] Michaela Aldrin: Well, I know what NPC means as I've been rping since about 1996. Bad timing or otherwise sometimes OOC comments are not necessary... from myself or another and should stay out of IC interactions. I'll take any amount of abuse verbal or otherwise IC but not OOC. However, I'll apologize and hope maybe you can see where I am coming from as well. [21:22] Michaela Aldrin: Have a good night, Zeppa. Sorry for misunderstanding your question and IMing you trying to help. [21:24] Zeppa Zuta: hmmm, ok, nice of you to respond finaly, anyway, it is welcome to hear how you did RP since 1996. since i did my self too, since 1996. as well, starting trough packet radio chat networking and later trough mIRC and then famous D&D..etc..etc...about "paper table" RP back in early 90's i wont even mention and having story tellers or so called game masters...etc..etc.... [21:25] Zeppa Zuta: so, since you are experienced i am a bit surprised, but OK...noone is perfect and we cant know every single detail....so i do not mind you... [21:26] Zeppa Zuta: but overreaction on anything what you are not sure what it is is not pretty wise, especially now since i see you are promoted to admin [21:26] Zeppa Zuta: again, take this as digression, not as some sarcasm [21:30] Zeppa Zuta: so, i hope as well that you would agree that way of IMing (at least 1 attempt) is more welcome then over reacted growling back in OOC.....but, in your case, Dragon did excuse you how you are very protective when is about him (what still is not good enough excuse for general, basics of good manners)....well, see you in play and if you ever heard from me something what might disturb you, dont be lazy or afraid to IM me shortly....i am always ready to talk with people without some vocabular like "fuck of"..get lost"....or; "dont spam my IM".... [21:30] Zeppa Zuta winks [21:31] Zeppa Zuta: after all..isnt that what ADMINS always suggest :)) *********** [21:20] Michaela Aldrin: Well, I know what NPC means as I've been rping since about 1996. *********** hmmm, role player since 1996. is not some reference that can guarantee knowing what NPC is, so....i honestly must speak open and say; "no, i cant see where does she coming from" and now, as i always like to spice up with some facts....i am sorry Michaela, its not that i am discrediting you but your own partner did, so, your actions showed what Dragon did confirmed....and after all; its shameful that Dragon had to appologise to me instead of you: [2009/12/20 16:32] dragon Tarber: ok i see what happen [2009/12/20 16:32] dragon Tarber: she didnt know what npc meant and yes u were being nice to me [2009/12/20 16:32] Zeppa Zuta: and i rarely call admins (you as admin can see that) but i really feel insulted by that language [2009/12/20 16:32] dragon Tarber: she didnt know she kinda new dont know what npc means lol [2009/12/20 16:33] dragon Tarber: but i see what u mean [2009/12/20 16:33] Zeppa Zuta: well..she could ask me [2009/12/20 16:33] Zeppa Zuta: i even gave a smile [2009/12/20 16:33] dragon Tarber: yea she could have but shes very protective of me we rl to [2009/12/20 16:33] dragon Tarber: so she got mad lol [2009/12/20 16:33] Zeppa Zuta: i was giving you a COMPLIMENT [2009/12/20 16:33] dragon Tarber: i know she didnt understand what npc meant ill talk to her and tell her [21:20] Michaela Aldrin: Well, I know what NPC means as I've been rping since about 1996. mhmm, sure...yeah :) |
ADMIN BALANCE?!
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ADMIN BALANCE?! « Thread Started on Jan 15, 2010, 12:37am » I hope you will take this digression about ADMINS of FC as some comment in good intentions since i am giving you my observation based on public opinion (and after all mine too)...and hope you wont try to censor me since i have strong believes we are living in democratic society with freedom of speach.... First of all, to make things clear; i am 100% aware of fact how owners word is last, so, i dont go there nor i will...but if we are talking about some "public" sim and its structure that is maden of "public" people then i dare to expect some more objectivism. I will be very short to not make you lose your will to read all to the end...so.... In some daily play i noticed how TLS family is full of admins...i cant even number them all, but 6 are for sure...maybe even 10 (never had some will to writte their names down since i dont bother a lot about that) and same is with mentors...on my mentions of that; most of people said how they did notice that but most of them has no courage to speak about that in public since even i received respond ; " you better NOT go there!! " I am asking you, why shouldnt i go there?...coz i will be immediately banned or docked forgiving public opinion and coz i am brave enough to speak about that....or shoud i say; stupid enough to put my self in danger to be "wiped out" ?! I am aware how circumstances and coincidences can be the main reason why is that happening in FC, but i please you, just try to accept this as how does public see this situation; TLS...some family...have some admin, soon more admins are showing up in same family(i said in joke; "showing up like mushrooms after rain")...finaly, they have a number of admins and FC staff in general...while if you see other side like Widows family who have also impressive number of players and members, does NOT have picked even 1 single admin or mentor since they moved to FC....i know how there are some explanations how some Outlaws family members , admins as well did join TLS...its OK...but by hearing how FC staff is choosing carefully and people who deserve that and are quality players i got feeling how by other words someone is trying to say how Widows members are not worth enough and have no quality players who might be good candidates for ADMINS in FC.... please, dont growl, but numbers speak for itself; TLS and other families all have participation in FC staff layer...while Widows have = ZERO, 0..... thats not presumption or opinion; that is the FACT!! After all, noone can say how Widows are not long enough here to be estimated about their quality, finaly, i know how this isnt ethical, but since i feel i have right to speak freely; there are examples like in case of TLS; M.V. and her partner O.U. (who are my really dear friends, O.U. even was my partner)...where they showed up in FC and 10 days later M.V. became admin and O.U. mentor.... Just to make it clear; i dont mind anyones business about setting admins...but some more balance is really expected, otherwise this might smell like favorism ; "hey..pssst...you are my family mate...ill try to pull you to admins...etc..etc.." ...and when it begins, it goes like chain reaction...we all know that, coz we do the same in real life...most of us does for sure... I even made a suggestion to FC staff to try make some election by public proposing 10 names for admins and like 5 to be taken to admins by peoples votes, that might give to FC some extra dose of seriousity and transparency about their work, and after all; fairness and respect of public... Now, to make one more thing clear; i am not judging FC and trying to make it look bad....fact is; IMHO; FC is best universe i have played so far, even did beat the Mandinka....and i just want to make sure FC does not turn to something no one wants....and i will do everything to stop or at least to attenuate falling down....coz....first time after so long, i found place in game that i really love to be in and play....now, judge me for being honest and for speaking in public....but i have my ideals and principles setted by learning what democracy is....so, if anyone think i must be crucified now for speaking out loud some obvious FACTS....then let it be.... Best Regards, "Croatian Rantman" ----------------------------------------------------------------- now, lets see some comments; dmysticmagic76 Administrator FORBIDDEN OWNER Our staff is 100% fair ----------------------------------------------------------------- (wooow, really good argument, worth of gold..heheh) snarf Junior Member i think it would be a good idea to restrict the number of admin in any given group. even if the admin do keep things fair, and i believe they do, it would at least prevent people from making the accusations that admin are biased in favour of any given clan in forbidden. Not a major issue, but at least it reduces the potential for drama ----------------------------------------------------------------- gizhammerer New Member I raised this very point back when I first got here and almost every admin was in Finger Puppets, it absolutely reeks of biased opinions towards some groups and away from others. I speak to this issue not as some random player, but as a former admin in another xrps world. ---------------------------------------------------------------- deviousdeevah Moderator Admin Staff The Forbidden Staff were asked to their position because they are trusted by Dmy and Lycan,,i think the staff that they hired are trustworthy and fair. Yes there may be 5 admins in tls but they are not partial to thier family and will not take calls involving their own so it is not a conflict of interest.. There are many good players in other fractions that are admins also .. as for widows .. they have alot of good old school players that know their thing too. I would encourage anyone to step up and give to the community of Forbidden. I see people in Widows that would make good mentors and Admins .. I would like to add a few of the admins in TLS were mentors first and went thru training to become admins. All admin and mentors work very hard and take pride in what they do. I think alot of the players in Forbidden are veterns and can rise above if thereis a problem and work it out in each others IMs w/o even involving admins ---------------------------------------------------------------- larkerin Moderator Admin Staff Dmy and Lycan are very fair and honest people, from the start they have treated me with love and kindness (in another universe even) I was a mentor in another universe so I am qualified, when asked to be a admin, I was made Jr Admin and trained. A Snr Admin or a owner reviewed everything. When we have tickets all the logs and dispositions are posted for review, so there is nothing "shady" going on. It is a insult to infer that we can't be unbiased if we happen to be the only admin on. We have Snr Admin to review calls if there may be a question, and always Dmy and Lycan. I also DJ here because I love this place and helping. Because a call doesn't go someones way doesn't mean it is because too many Admins are in a family, it is because we have logs to support that position. I love and respect Dmy and Lycan, would never do anything to jeopardize thier trust in me. You're correct that it your right to your opinion...that doesn't make it right though. You have presented no evidence that any call was biased in any way, you just don't like the choices they have made. But, as you said yourself they are the owners choices to make. ------------------------------------------------------------- mistyviolet Moderator Admin Staff Ok let me first just say every member of staff here have been asked to be apart of staff. and from what i have seen every admin dose there job admrably and honistly there is no f avortisim or bias. And to state other wise is insulting. i work very hard to see all rules are followed and that those that brake them are delt with even if it is one of my own. ------------------------------------------------------------- gizhammerer New Member I for myself never realized that it was something that you could apply for, I thought it was like nor, don't ask us, we'll ask you ------------------------------------------------------------- gagi Junior Member i think most of you are missing the point... i have never accused Lycan or Dmy nor it was attempt of insult!! i have never accused TLS family for biasing or favorism... what i am saying is, we all know how things are going in RL when is about applying to some job....if we have some "connection" inside who will give some few words about us outside..we would have better chances that manager/director of company give us a job... same thing is going in SL...we can all deny it...but it still goes....coz Dmy and Lycan are very busy about running sims...and they rely on words of their existing staff....so, for example....if Devious, Earth and Mysti give few nice words about JP for example....Dmy and Lycan will trust them and JP will gain some more advantage then for example....some "unknown" Calisto Adored.....who is equally quality player as JP but she has no opportunity to be seen, heard and supported by few nice words to Dmy and Lycan like in this case JP might be... so...i am not accusing fairness....i dont have general complain about admins...and yes, ...i consider Lycan and Dmy ...especially Aussiegirl at first place as my very old SL friends...and dear one since despite of everything, we have never put our friendship in matter of question.... so please...dont try to redirect this topic how it was some attempt of discreditation of Dmy or Lycan or admin staff...only how unbalance is obvious form miles and miles away.... and if you will still keep on saying how it is not , despite of MATHEMATICAL facts where you see 20 equal to ZERO like same thing and still talking about some normal situation.....then must be i was missing some classes of math or didnt pay attention again; all i am saying; criteria is mostly by given nice word about some person.....if that is NOT true, then some Widow would be already offered some mentor or admin function in last 2 months....or..it would mean how Widoes does not have quality people for being mentors and admins.....there is NO 3rd explanation....and remember; Dmy and Lycan can NOT know all people they ar etaking to admins.....so they rely on their existing admins with full trust...and i have NEVER seen how Devious, Earth, Mysti, Reficul, Lark...or any other TLS did gave some nice word about some Widow individual...otherwise Widow would be already offered or asked for being admin.....and there are 2 reasons for that; 1st is; its reasonable how you might know your family mates better and by that know their skills and abilities and 2nd, dont tell me how ANY of you would rather help to some "stranger" then to your own family mate...coz in that case i would consider you as phenomen from psychological perspective i am just objective...and all i am saying, not everyone have a same chance to show what they can do....coz..SL is , want you or not...reflecition of RL so, please...leave that family matters....i dont care about family as family...it was NOT my focuse of subject!! so, TLS folks...relax....you were only taken as example since in your case that thing is clearly or easiest visible...nothing else...personally..i have some nice friends in TLS and i feel pretty OK with you guys around --------------------------------------------------------------- gagi Junior Member Jan 22, 2010, 3:18pm, mistyviolet wrote: it takes more then just simply being elected as an admin..... hmm, then tell us from your own example how does it go...or, how did it go for you...please coz...with all respect to you in personal, i do like you, but in XRPS i didnt found you as some distinguished person that is outstanding in consideration of RP skills, fighting skills, XRPS knowledge or rules/LLTOS knowledge... (please notice i did not say you are bad...just does not sound to me like you were some wooow candidate for it....same like i said about Michaela Aldrin who showed me more then 3 times so far how she is still struggling with some basic terminology knowledge and handling with rules in admin calls she is not cap/able to handle..) PS; i am not making presumptions, every statement i give here i have basis with notecards that clearly proves my statements, if anyone have doubts in my words and think how i am disrespectful or making some lies and wrong premises, give me permission to post those notes without blaming me of violating morale and ethics, and without 1 single word more of me you all might realize what am i talking about....but...i am wiser now....i shut my mouth since being banned for being mouthy regardeless am i speaking right or wrong does not make me anything good....so, by other words...dont crash on me since i did gave up of ranting coz only one who will eat shit at the end will be me...and others will continue to play like nothing happened and i will be forgotten in less then 24 hours....so, finally..i have my opinion but no use to enforce it in public...so, TLS can be even maden as admin family in complete...every single member of theirs...as long as they will respect the rules and really show their professionalism and objectivism i wont say a word about.... --------------------------------------------------------------- full thread can be seen here; ADMIN BALANCE |
