01.02.2010., ponedjeljak
ADMIN BALANCE?!
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ADMIN BALANCE?! « Thread Started on Jan 15, 2010, 12:37am » I hope you will take this digression about ADMINS of FC as some comment in good intentions since i am giving you my observation based on public opinion (and after all mine too)...and hope you wont try to censor me since i have strong believes we are living in democratic society with freedom of speach.... First of all, to make things clear; i am 100% aware of fact how owners word is last, so, i dont go there nor i will...but if we are talking about some "public" sim and its structure that is maden of "public" people then i dare to expect some more objectivism. I will be very short to not make you lose your will to read all to the end...so.... In some daily play i noticed how TLS family is full of admins...i cant even number them all, but 6 are for sure...maybe even 10 (never had some will to writte their names down since i dont bother a lot about that) and same is with mentors...on my mentions of that; most of people said how they did notice that but most of them has no courage to speak about that in public since even i received respond ; " you better NOT go there!! " I am asking you, why shouldnt i go there?...coz i will be immediately banned or docked forgiving public opinion and coz i am brave enough to speak about that....or shoud i say; stupid enough to put my self in danger to be "wiped out" ?! I am aware how circumstances and coincidences can be the main reason why is that happening in FC, but i please you, just try to accept this as how does public see this situation; TLS...some family...have some admin, soon more admins are showing up in same family(i said in joke; "showing up like mushrooms after rain")...finaly, they have a number of admins and FC staff in general...while if you see other side like Widows family who have also impressive number of players and members, does NOT have picked even 1 single admin or mentor since they moved to FC....i know how there are some explanations how some Outlaws family members , admins as well did join TLS...its OK...but by hearing how FC staff is choosing carefully and people who deserve that and are quality players i got feeling how by other words someone is trying to say how Widows members are not worth enough and have no quality players who might be good candidates for ADMINS in FC.... please, dont growl, but numbers speak for itself; TLS and other families all have participation in FC staff layer...while Widows have = ZERO, 0..... thats not presumption or opinion; that is the FACT!! After all, noone can say how Widows are not long enough here to be estimated about their quality, finaly, i know how this isnt ethical, but since i feel i have right to speak freely; there are examples like in case of TLS; M.V. and her partner O.U. (who are my really dear friends, O.U. even was my partner)...where they showed up in FC and 10 days later M.V. became admin and O.U. mentor.... Just to make it clear; i dont mind anyones business about setting admins...but some more balance is really expected, otherwise this might smell like favorism ; "hey..pssst...you are my family mate...ill try to pull you to admins...etc..etc.." ...and when it begins, it goes like chain reaction...we all know that, coz we do the same in real life...most of us does for sure... I even made a suggestion to FC staff to try make some election by public proposing 10 names for admins and like 5 to be taken to admins by peoples votes, that might give to FC some extra dose of seriousity and transparency about their work, and after all; fairness and respect of public... Now, to make one more thing clear; i am not judging FC and trying to make it look bad....fact is; IMHO; FC is best universe i have played so far, even did beat the Mandinka....and i just want to make sure FC does not turn to something no one wants....and i will do everything to stop or at least to attenuate falling down....coz....first time after so long, i found place in game that i really love to be in and play....now, judge me for being honest and for speaking in public....but i have my ideals and principles setted by learning what democracy is....so, if anyone think i must be crucified now for speaking out loud some obvious FACTS....then let it be.... Best Regards, "Croatian Rantman" ----------------------------------------------------------------- now, lets see some comments; dmysticmagic76 Administrator FORBIDDEN OWNER Our staff is 100% fair ----------------------------------------------------------------- (wooow, really good argument, worth of gold..heheh) snarf Junior Member i think it would be a good idea to restrict the number of admin in any given group. even if the admin do keep things fair, and i believe they do, it would at least prevent people from making the accusations that admin are biased in favour of any given clan in forbidden. Not a major issue, but at least it reduces the potential for drama ----------------------------------------------------------------- gizhammerer New Member I raised this very point back when I first got here and almost every admin was in Finger Puppets, it absolutely reeks of biased opinions towards some groups and away from others. I speak to this issue not as some random player, but as a former admin in another xrps world. ---------------------------------------------------------------- deviousdeevah Moderator Admin Staff The Forbidden Staff were asked to their position because they are trusted by Dmy and Lycan,,i think the staff that they hired are trustworthy and fair. Yes there may be 5 admins in tls but they are not partial to thier family and will not take calls involving their own so it is not a conflict of interest.. There are many good players in other fractions that are admins also .. as for widows .. they have alot of good old school players that know their thing too. I would encourage anyone to step up and give to the community of Forbidden. I see people in Widows that would make good mentors and Admins .. I would like to add a few of the admins in TLS were mentors first and went thru training to become admins. All admin and mentors work very hard and take pride in what they do. I think alot of the players in Forbidden are veterns and can rise above if thereis a problem and work it out in each others IMs w/o even involving admins ---------------------------------------------------------------- larkerin Moderator Admin Staff Dmy and Lycan are very fair and honest people, from the start they have treated me with love and kindness (in another universe even) I was a mentor in another universe so I am qualified, when asked to be a admin, I was made Jr Admin and trained. A Snr Admin or a owner reviewed everything. When we have tickets all the logs and dispositions are posted for review, so there is nothing "shady" going on. It is a insult to infer that we can't be unbiased if we happen to be the only admin on. We have Snr Admin to review calls if there may be a question, and always Dmy and Lycan. I also DJ here because I love this place and helping. Because a call doesn't go someones way doesn't mean it is because too many Admins are in a family, it is because we have logs to support that position. I love and respect Dmy and Lycan, would never do anything to jeopardize thier trust in me. You're correct that it your right to your opinion...that doesn't make it right though. You have presented no evidence that any call was biased in any way, you just don't like the choices they have made. But, as you said yourself they are the owners choices to make. ------------------------------------------------------------- mistyviolet Moderator Admin Staff Ok let me first just say every member of staff here have been asked to be apart of staff. and from what i have seen every admin dose there job admrably and honistly there is no f avortisim or bias. And to state other wise is insulting. i work very hard to see all rules are followed and that those that brake them are delt with even if it is one of my own. ------------------------------------------------------------- gizhammerer New Member I for myself never realized that it was something that you could apply for, I thought it was like nor, don't ask us, we'll ask you ------------------------------------------------------------- gagi Junior Member i think most of you are missing the point... i have never accused Lycan or Dmy nor it was attempt of insult!! i have never accused TLS family for biasing or favorism... what i am saying is, we all know how things are going in RL when is about applying to some job....if we have some "connection" inside who will give some few words about us outside..we would have better chances that manager/director of company give us a job... same thing is going in SL...we can all deny it...but it still goes....coz Dmy and Lycan are very busy about running sims...and they rely on words of their existing staff....so, for example....if Devious, Earth and Mysti give few nice words about JP for example....Dmy and Lycan will trust them and JP will gain some more advantage then for example....some "unknown" Calisto Adored.....who is equally quality player as JP but she has no opportunity to be seen, heard and supported by few nice words to Dmy and Lycan like in this case JP might be... so...i am not accusing fairness....i dont have general complain about admins...and yes, ...i consider Lycan and Dmy ...especially Aussiegirl at first place as my very old SL friends...and dear one since despite of everything, we have never put our friendship in matter of question.... so please...dont try to redirect this topic how it was some attempt of discreditation of Dmy or Lycan or admin staff...only how unbalance is obvious form miles and miles away.... and if you will still keep on saying how it is not , despite of MATHEMATICAL facts where you see 20 equal to ZERO like same thing and still talking about some normal situation.....then must be i was missing some classes of math or didnt pay attention again; all i am saying; criteria is mostly by given nice word about some person.....if that is NOT true, then some Widow would be already offered some mentor or admin function in last 2 months....or..it would mean how Widoes does not have quality people for being mentors and admins.....there is NO 3rd explanation....and remember; Dmy and Lycan can NOT know all people they ar etaking to admins.....so they rely on their existing admins with full trust...and i have NEVER seen how Devious, Earth, Mysti, Reficul, Lark...or any other TLS did gave some nice word about some Widow individual...otherwise Widow would be already offered or asked for being admin.....and there are 2 reasons for that; 1st is; its reasonable how you might know your family mates better and by that know their skills and abilities and 2nd, dont tell me how ANY of you would rather help to some "stranger" then to your own family mate...coz in that case i would consider you as phenomen from psychological perspective i am just objective...and all i am saying, not everyone have a same chance to show what they can do....coz..SL is , want you or not...reflecition of RL so, please...leave that family matters....i dont care about family as family...it was NOT my focuse of subject!! so, TLS folks...relax....you were only taken as example since in your case that thing is clearly or easiest visible...nothing else...personally..i have some nice friends in TLS and i feel pretty OK with you guys around --------------------------------------------------------------- gagi Junior Member Jan 22, 2010, 3:18pm, mistyviolet wrote: it takes more then just simply being elected as an admin..... hmm, then tell us from your own example how does it go...or, how did it go for you...please coz...with all respect to you in personal, i do like you, but in XRPS i didnt found you as some distinguished person that is outstanding in consideration of RP skills, fighting skills, XRPS knowledge or rules/LLTOS knowledge... (please notice i did not say you are bad...just does not sound to me like you were some wooow candidate for it....same like i said about Michaela Aldrin who showed me more then 3 times so far how she is still struggling with some basic terminology knowledge and handling with rules in admin calls she is not cap/able to handle..) PS; i am not making presumptions, every statement i give here i have basis with notecards that clearly proves my statements, if anyone have doubts in my words and think how i am disrespectful or making some lies and wrong premises, give me permission to post those notes without blaming me of violating morale and ethics, and without 1 single word more of me you all might realize what am i talking about....but...i am wiser now....i shut my mouth since being banned for being mouthy regardeless am i speaking right or wrong does not make me anything good....so, by other words...dont crash on me since i did gave up of ranting coz only one who will eat shit at the end will be me...and others will continue to play like nothing happened and i will be forgotten in less then 24 hours....so, finally..i have my opinion but no use to enforce it in public...so, TLS can be even maden as admin family in complete...every single member of theirs...as long as they will respect the rules and really show their professionalism and objectivism i wont say a word about.... --------------------------------------------------------------- full thread can be seen here; ADMIN BALANCE |
