28.05.2005., subota
Linus Torvalds implicitno priznao da Larry ima pravo biti bijesan zbog open-sorsaske kradje Larryjevog velebnog uratka!
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Linus Torvalds objasnjava razloge zasto je Larry odlucio napustiti open-sorssasku zajednicu (brod koji tone). Evo tih razloga: Larry is perfectly fine with somebody writing a free replacement. He's told me so, and I believe him, because I actually do believe that he has a strong moral back-bone. What Larry is not fine with, is somebody writing a free replacement by just reverse-engineering what _he_ did. Larry has a very clear moral standpoint: "You can compete with me, but you can't do so by riding on my coat-tails. Solve the problems on your own, and compete honestly. Don't compete by looking at my solution!!!!!!!!" And that is what the BK license boils down to. It says: "Get off my coat-tails, you free-loader!". And I can't really argue against that. Uglavnom, opensorsasu Larryu nisu svih ovih godina smetale bezbrojne kradje i reverse-engineering brojnog proprietary softvera od strane open-source komjunitija! Ne lezi vraze, to mu je zasmetalo tek onda kada su doticni "uglednici" odlucili malo "revers enginjirati" njegov osobni projekt u koje je on ulozio godine truda i vezan je za njega emocionalno i svakako drugacije! Tako je Larry: prokazi njihove kradljive metode svima u svijetu! Reci cijelom svijetu kako su te ti "postenjaci" i "moralne vertikale" pokusale pokrasti! Idi i reci im sto ih ide!!!!!!!!! |
Kradljiva "ekipa" :-)
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Hahahahaha, pa ovo je nevjerojatno! Pogledajte sto pise na ovom linku o razlozima "prekida" izmadju Linusa Torvaldsa, Larryja McVoya i Andrewa Tridgella (posebno sam boldala ono sto mi je bilo posebno (tragi)komicno: BitKeeper, the proprietary source management tool used by Linus Torvalds and other Linux kernel hackers to apply patches to their versions of the kernel, is once again at the center of controversy. This time it looks as if the relationship between BitKeeper and the poster-child project for free software is going to come to an end as the result of irreconcilable differences. We spoke with the three primary figures involved in the dispute -- Larry McVoy, Linus Torvalds, and Andrew "Tridge" Tridgell -- to learn what happened and whether it could have been avoided. We asked Larry McVoy, BitKeeper's primary author, to tell us what happened to cause him to end the relationship by giving Torvalds and the Linux kernel developers using BitKeeper three months to move to another tool for their source code management. He explained: Back on February 23 I learned from Linus that Tridge was reverse-engineering BK so that he could pull stuff out of BK trees without agreeing to the BK license. As you might expect, we were less than thrilled and began having talks with Linus, Tridge, and Stuart Cohen, the CEO of OSDL. These talks didn't go anywhere. Tridge believes strongly enough in free software that he thinks anyone using non-free software is living in sin. :D:D Dakle: Larry je dao "nogu" Linusu Torvaldsu i dao mu rok od tri mjeseca do kada jos moze koristiti njegov program BitKeeper (kojeg Torvalds i njegova kradljiva ekipa koriste pri razvoju Linuxa). A nakon toga mora prestati! Sve se dogodilo nakon sto je Larry skuzio da mu je Andrew Tridgell, jedan od glavnih ljudi koji rade s Linusom Torvaldsom, poceo iza ledja raditi reverse-engineering njegovog BitKeepera, na sto je Larry popizdio! Pa jebote, nije dosta da kradu od ostalih, nego su na kraju poceli jos i krasti jedan od drugoga! A bili su najbolji frendovi! Hahahahaha, kakvo krasno kradljivo drustvance! :D:D:D puno pozdrava svim "open-sorsasima" od vase math_baby  |
Larry McVoy, legenda open-sourcea kaze: Nema kruha od open sourcea - opensorsasi su mi pokrali moj program, BitKeeper!
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Larry McVoy, legenda open-sourcea kaze: Nema kruha od open sourcea! Evo jedne vrrrrrrrrrlo vrrrrrrrrlo zanimljive vijesti, bas me zanima sto ce nas dragi domaci konzumentsko-besplatnjacki open source komjuniti imati za reci na ovo. Pogledajmo ovu meni iznimno dragu vijest: Linuxaška zajednica ovih dana ima razloga tugovati – Larry McVoy koji je njen član od 1993. i koji je napravio ogroman doprinos razvoju Linuxa svojim alatom BitKeeper, bez kojega je kompajliranje i praćenja razvoja novih modula unutar kernela gotovo nemoguće, odlučio je pokupiti svoje krpice. Osnovao je tvrtku BitMover u SanFranciscu koja će prodavati BitKeeper, a usput je i dao intervju uglednom Forbesu. Prema McVoyu, kao poslovni model, otvoreni kod nema nikakve šanse, što je okusio na vlastitoj koži kada u sve ove godine rada na BitKeeperu i njegovog razvoja, nije dobio ni centa. Izvor: http://www.bug.hr/vijesti/index.asp?id=64391 Dakle, vrlo je interesantno to kako je covjek, koji je punih 12 godina radio u open-sourceu i bio vrlo ugledan clan open-source "komjunitija" na kraju od svega odustao, izrazivsi pri tome potpuno iste one primjedbe koje ja vama ovdje vec godinama govorim pa mi se svi smiju i vrijedjaju me da sam "pohlepna kurvica", itd! A koje su to primjedbe? Evo, prenijet cu vam djelove tih Larryjevih nadasve istinitih i logicnih opservacija, koje je on iznio u intervjuu za "Forbes": Open source as a business model, in isolation, is pretty much unsustainable," says McVoy, founder and chief executive of BitMover, a San Francisco-based company that makes a software-development tool for Linux called BitKeeper. McVoy understands open source as well as anyone on the planet. Though his product, BitKeeper, is not an open source program, from 2002 until 2005, McVoy let open source programmers use it for free. But as of July, McVoy will stop the give-away, saying it has been costing him nearly $500,000 per year to support Torvalds and his programmers. Open source advocates have pushed McVoy to "open source" his product--that is, to publish the program's source code, or basic instructions, and let the world use it for free. But McVoy says it is simply not possible for an innovative software company to sustain itself using an open source business model. "We believe if we open sourced our product, we would be out of business in six months," McVoy says. "The bottom line is you have to build a financially sound company with a well-trained staff. And those staffers like their salaries. If everything is free, how can I make enough money to keep building that product for you and supporting you?" The term "open source" refers to software that is distributed with its source code so that anyone can read or copy that code. Most commercial programs, like those made by Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ), keep their source code secret. Open source products typically are distributed free, since it's pretty much impossible to charge money for something that anyone can copy. So how do you make money with open source code? Some companies, like Red Hat, distribute Linux for free and then make money selling service contracts to users. "One problem with the services model is that it is based on the idea that you are giving customers crap--because if you give them software that works, what is the point of service?" McVoy says. "The other problem is that the services model doesn't generate enough revenue to support the creation of the next generation of innovative products. For example, Red Hat has been around for a long time--for a decade now. Yet try to name one significant thing--one innovative product--that has come out of Red Hat." To be sure, a few open source companies are successfully generating revenue and even (possibly) profits. But none of them generates enough money to do anything really innovative, says McVoy, 43, an industry veteran who has developed operating system software at Sun Microsystems, Silicon Graphics and Google. "The open source guys can scrape together enough resources to reverse engineer stuff. That's easy. It's way cheaper to reverse engineer something than to create something new. But if the world goes to 100% open source, innovation goes to zero. The open source guys hate it when I say this, but it's true." (HAHAHHAHAHA, pa nije li upravo ovo ono sto sam vam ja cijelo vrijeme govrila, a sada vidimo da i iskusni opensorsas tvrdi to isto! Linuxasi i opensorsasi: poludite!) McVoy says open source advocates fail to recognize that building new software requires lots of trial and error, which means investing lots of money. Software companies won't make those investments unless they can earn a return by selling programs rather than giving them away. "It costs a huge amount of money to develop a single innovative software product. You have to have a business model that will let you recoup those costs. These arguments are exceedingly unpopular. Everyone wants everything to be free. They say, 'You're an evil corporate guy, and you don't get it.' But I'm not evil. I'm well-known in the open source community. But none of them can show me how to build a software-development house and fund it off open source revenue. My claim is it can't be done." And though open source software may be "free," sometimes you get what you pay for, McVoy says. "Open source software is like handing you a doctor's bag and the architectural plans for a hospital and saying, 'Hey dude, if you have a heart attack, here are all the tools you need--and it's free,'" McVoy says. "I'd rather pay someone to take care of me." McVoy argues that the open source phenomenon may appear to be sustainable but actually is being propped up by hardware makers who view open source code as a loss leader--something that will entice customers to buy their boxes. "Nobody wants to admit that most of the money funding open source development, maybe 80% to 90%, is coming from companies that are not open source companies themselves. What happens when these sponsors go away and there is not enough money floating around? Where is innovation going to come from? Is the government going to fund it? This stuff is expensive." Even the popular Linux operating system would suffer if hardware makers stopped their sugar-daddy support for its development--putting their own programmers to work on Linux, and sending payments to the Open Source Development Labs, the non-profit organization that employs Torvalds and some of his key lieutenants. "If hardware companies stopped funding development, I think it would dramatically damage the pace at which Linux is being developed. It would be pretty darn close to a nuclear bomb going off," McVoy says. Heretical as this may seem, McVoy wants to be on the side that innovates and makes money. Meni se cini da se nas dragi open-source komjuniti poceo malo po malo trijezniti od svog idealizma i da ljudi malo pomalo shvacaju da je open source nesto sto nema buducnosti, jer je ocekivanje da se sve moze dobiti besplatno i bez imalo truda, naprosto nerealno. I tako se nas dragi open-source komjuniti polako osipa, te ce na kraju u njemu ostati samo ljudi poput cp.tar-a, lila ili AxMija, ljudi gladni besplatnog softvera, antimajkrosoftovski raspolozeni, ali i posve nesposobni da softver sami kreiraju, dakle, puki konzumenti i eksploatatori tudjeg truda i muke! Osim toga, McVoy je i sam rekao ono sto sam i sama vec milijun puta istaknula (pronadjite to za vjezbu u tekstu gore!): da je lako reverse-engineeringom kopirati vec postojecu stvar, ali gdje je tu onda inovacija? Inovacija kosta, a open-source model nije u stanju taj novac pribaviti! Itd, itd! Procitajte ovo gore i vidite do kakvih zakljucaka je na kraju dosao jedan iskusni covjek iz open-source komjunitija, Larry McVoy! pozdrav svima od vase trenutno zbanane math_baby |
Larry McVoy, legenda open-source "komjunitija" kaze: Nema kruha od open-sourcea!
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Larry McVoy, legenda open-sourcea kaze: Nema kruha od open sourcea! Evo jedne vrrrrrrrrrlo vrrrrrrrrlo zanimljive vijesti, bas me zanima sto ce nas dragi domaci konzumentsko-besplatnjacki open source komjuniti imati za reci na ovo. Pogledajmo ovu meni iznimno dragu vijest: Linuxaška zajednica ovih dana ima razloga tugovati – Larry McVoy koji je njen član od 1993. i koji je napravio ogroman doprinos razvoju Linuxa svojim alatom BitKeeper, bez kojega je kompajliranje i praćenja razvoja novih modula unutar kernela gotovo nemoguće, odlučio je pokupiti svoje krpice. Osnovao je tvrtku BitMover u SanFranciscu koja će prodavati BitKeeper, a usput je i dao intervju uglednom Forbesu. Prema McVoyu, kao poslovni model, otvoreni kod nema nikakve šanse, što je okusio na vlastitoj koži kada u sve ove godine rada na BitKeeperu i njegovog razvoja, nije dobio ni centa. Izvor: http://www.bug.hr/vijesti/index.asp?id=64391 Dakle, vrlo je interesantno to kako je covjek, koji je punih 12 godina radio u open-sourceu i bio vrlo ugledan clan open-source "komjunitija" na kraju od svega odustao, izrazivsi pri tome potpuno iste one primjedbe koje ja vama ovdje vec godinama govorim pa mi se svi smiju i vrijedjaju me da sam "pohlepna kurvica", itd! A koje su to primjedbe? Evo, prenijet cu vam djelove tih Larryjevih nadasve istinitih i logicnih opservacija, koje je on iznio u intervjuu za "Forbes": Open source as a business model, in isolation, is pretty much unsustainable," says McVoy, founder and chief executive of BitMover, a San Francisco-based company that makes a software-development tool for Linux called BitKeeper. McVoy understands open source as well as anyone on the planet. Though his product, BitKeeper, is not an open source program, from 2002 until 2005, McVoy let open source programmers use it for free. But as of July, McVoy will stop the give-away, saying it has been costing him nearly $500,000 per year to support Torvalds and his programmers. Open source advocates have pushed McVoy to "open source" his product--that is, to publish the program's source code, or basic instructions, and let the world use it for free. But McVoy says it is simply not possible for an innovative software company to sustain itself using an open source business model. "We believe if we open sourced our product, we would be out of business in six months," McVoy says. "The bottom line is you have to build a financially sound company with a well-trained staff. And those staffers like their salaries. If everything is free, how can I make enough money to keep building that product for you and supporting you?" The term "open source" refers to software that is distributed with its source code so that anyone can read or copy that code. Most commercial programs, like those made by Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ), keep their source code secret. Open source products typically are distributed free, since it's pretty much impossible to charge money for something that anyone can copy. So how do you make money with open source code? Some companies, like Red Hat, distribute Linux for free and then make money selling service contracts to users. "One problem with the services model is that it is based on the idea that you are giving customers crap--because if you give them software that works, what is the point of service?" McVoy says. "The other problem is that the services model doesn't generate enough revenue to support the creation of the next generation of innovative products. For example, Red Hat has been around for a long time--for a decade now. Yet try to name one significant thing--one innovative product--that has come out of Red Hat." To be sure, a few open source companies are successfully generating revenue and even (possibly) profits. But none of them generates enough money to do anything really innovative, says McVoy, 43, an industry veteran who has developed operating system software at Sun Microsystems, Silicon Graphics and Google. "The open source guys can scrape together enough resources to reverse engineer stuff. That's easy. It's way cheaper to reverse engineer something than to create something new. But if the world goes to 100% open source, innovation goes to zero. The open source guys hate it when I say this, but it's true." (HAHAHHAHAHA, pa nije li upravo ovo ono sto sam vam ja cijelo vrijeme govrila, a sada vidimo da i iskusni opensorsas tvrdi to isto! Linuxasi i opensorsasi: poludite!) McVoy says open source advocates fail to recognize that building new software requires lots of trial and error, which means investing lots of money. Software companies won't make those investments unless they can earn a return by selling programs rather than giving them away. "It costs a huge amount of money to develop a single innovative software product. You have to have a business model that will let you recoup those costs. These arguments are exceedingly unpopular. Everyone wants everything to be free. They say, 'You're an evil corporate guy, and you don't get it.' But I'm not evil. I'm well-known in the open source community. But none of them can show me how to build a software-development house and fund it off open source revenue. My claim is it can't be done." And though open source software may be "free," sometimes you get what you pay for, McVoy says. "Open source software is like handing you a doctor's bag and the architectural plans for a hospital and saying, 'Hey dude, if you have a heart attack, here are all the tools you need--and it's free,'" McVoy says. "I'd rather pay someone to take care of me." McVoy argues that the open source phenomenon may appear to be sustainable but actually is being propped up by hardware makers who view open source code as a loss leader--something that will entice customers to buy their boxes. "Nobody wants to admit that most of the money funding open source development, maybe 80% to 90%, is coming from companies that are not open source companies themselves. What happens when these sponsors go away and there is not enough money floating around? Where is innovation going to come from? Is the government going to fund it? This stuff is expensive." Even the popular Linux operating system would suffer if hardware makers stopped their sugar-daddy support for its development--putting their own programmers to work on Linux, and sending payments to the Open Source Development Labs, the non-profit organization that employs Torvalds and some of his key lieutenants. "If hardware companies stopped funding development, I think it would dramatically damage the pace at which Linux is being developed. It would be pretty darn close to a nuclear bomb going off," McVoy says. Heretical as this may seem, McVoy wants to be on the side that innovates and makes money. Meni se cini da se nas dragi open-source komjuniti poceo malo po malo trijezniti od svog idealizma i da ljudi malo pomalo shvacaju da je open source nesto sto nema buducnosti, jer je ocekivanje da se sve moze dobiti besplatno i bez imalo truda, naprosto nerealno. I tako se nas dragi open-source komjuniti polako osipa, te ce na kraju u njemu ostati samo ljudi poput cp.tar-a, lila ili AxMija, ljudi gladni besplatnog softvera, antimajkrosoftovski raspolozeni, ali i posve nesposobni da softver sami kreiraju, dakle, puki konzumenti i eksploatatori tudjeg truda i muke! Osim toga, McVoy je i sam rekao ono sto sam i sama vec milijun puta istaknula (pronadjite to za vjezbu u tekstu gore!): da je lako reverse-engineeringom kopirati vec postojecu stvar, ali gdje je tu onda inovacija? Inovacija kosta, a open-source model nije u stanju taj novac pribaviti! Itd, itd! Procitajte ovo gore i vidite do kakvih zakljucaka je na kraju dosao jedan iskusni covjek iz open-source komjunitija, Larry McVoy! pozdrav svima od vase trenutno zbanane math_baby |
Larry McVoy, legenda open-source "komjunitija" kaze: Nema kruha od open-sourcea!
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Larry McVoy, legenda open-sourcea kaze: Nema kruha od open sourcea! Evo jedne vrrrrrrrrrlo vrrrrrrrrlo zanimljive vijesti, bas me zanima sto ce nas dragi domaci konzumentsko-besplatnjacki open source komjuniti imati za reci na ovo. Pogledajmo ovu meni iznimno dragu vijest: Linuxaška zajednica ovih dana ima razloga tugovati – Larry McVoy koji je njen član od 1993. i koji je napravio ogroman doprinos razvoju Linuxa svojim alatom BitKeeper, bez kojega je kompajliranje i praćenja razvoja novih modula unutar kernela gotovo nemoguće, odlučio je pokupiti svoje krpice. Osnovao je tvrtku BitMover u SanFranciscu koja će prodavati BitKeeper, a usput je i dao intervju uglednom Forbesu. Prema McVoyu, kao poslovni model, otvoreni kod nema nikakve šanse, što je okusio na vlastitoj koži kada u sve ove godine rada na BitKeeperu i njegovog razvoja, nije dobio ni centa. Izvor: http://www.bug.hr/vijesti/index.asp?id=64391 Dakle, vrlo je interesantno to kako je covjek, koji je punih 12 godina radio u open-sourceu i bio vrlo ugledan clan open-source "komjunitija" na kraju od svega odustao, izrazivsi pri tome potpuno iste one primjedbe koje ja vama ovdje vec godinama govorim pa mi se svi smiju i vrijedjaju me da sam "pohlepna kurvica", itd! A koje su to primjedbe? Evo, prenijet cu vam djelove tih Larryjevih nadasve istinitih i logicnih opservacija, koje je on iznio u intervjuu za "Forbes": Open source as a business model, in isolation, is pretty much unsustainable," says McVoy, founder and chief executive of BitMover, a San Francisco-based company that makes a software-development tool for Linux called BitKeeper. McVoy understands open source as well as anyone on the planet. Though his product, BitKeeper, is not an open source program, from 2002 until 2005, McVoy let open source programmers use it for free. But as of July, McVoy will stop the give-away, saying it has been costing him nearly $500,000 per year to support Torvalds and his programmers. Open source advocates have pushed McVoy to "open source" his product--that is, to publish the program's source code, or basic instructions, and let the world use it for free. But McVoy says it is simply not possible for an innovative software company to sustain itself using an open source business model. "We believe if we open sourced our product, we would be out of business in six months," McVoy says. "The bottom line is you have to build a financially sound company with a well-trained staff. And those staffers like their salaries. If everything is free, how can I make enough money to keep building that product for you and supporting you?" The term "open source" refers to software that is distributed with its source code so that anyone can read or copy that code. Most commercial programs, like those made by Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ), keep their source code secret. Open source products typically are distributed free, since it's pretty much impossible to charge money for something that anyone can copy. So how do you make money with open source code? Some companies, like Red Hat, distribute Linux for free and then make money selling service contracts to users. "One problem with the services model is that it is based on the idea that you are giving customers crap--because if you give them software that works, what is the point of service?" McVoy says. "The other problem is that the services model doesn't generate enough revenue to support the creation of the next generation of innovative products. For example, Red Hat has been around for a long time--for a decade now. Yet try to name one significant thing--one innovative product--that has come out of Red Hat." To be sure, a few open source companies are successfully generating revenue and even (possibly) profits. But none of them generates enough money to do anything really innovative, says McVoy, 43, an industry veteran who has developed operating system software at Sun Microsystems, Silicon Graphics and Google. "The open source guys can scrape together enough resources to reverse engineer stuff. That's easy. It's way cheaper to reverse engineer something than to create something new. But if the world goes to 100% open source, innovation goes to zero. The open source guys hate it when I say this, but it's true." (HAHAHHAHAHA, pa nije li upravo ovo ono sto sam vam ja cijelo vrijeme govrila, a sada vidimo da i iskusni opensorsas tvrdi to isto! Linuxasi i opensorsasi: poludite!) McVoy says open source advocates fail to recognize that building new software requires lots of trial and error, which means investing lots of money. Software companies won't make those investments unless they can earn a return by selling programs rather than giving them away. "It costs a huge amount of money to develop a single innovative software product. You have to have a business model that will let you recoup those costs. These arguments are exceedingly unpopular. Everyone wants everything to be free. They say, 'You're an evil corporate guy, and you don't get it.' But I'm not evil. I'm well-known in the open source community. But none of them can show me how to build a software-development house and fund it off open source revenue. My claim is it can't be done." And though open source software may be "free," sometimes you get what you pay for, McVoy says. "Open source software is like handing you a doctor's bag and the architectural plans for a hospital and saying, 'Hey dude, if you have a heart attack, here are all the tools you need--and it's free,'" McVoy says. "I'd rather pay someone to take care of me." McVoy argues that the open source phenomenon may appear to be sustainable but actually is being propped up by hardware makers who view open source code as a loss leader--something that will entice customers to buy their boxes. "Nobody wants to admit that most of the money funding open source development, maybe 80% to 90%, is coming from companies that are not open source companies themselves. What happens when these sponsors go away and there is not enough money floating around? Where is innovation going to come from? Is the government going to fund it? This stuff is expensive." Even the popular Linux operating system would suffer if hardware makers stopped their sugar-daddy support for its development--putting their own programmers to work on Linux, and sending payments to the Open Source Development Labs, the non-profit organization that employs Torvalds and some of his key lieutenants. "If hardware companies stopped funding development, I think it would dramatically damage the pace at which Linux is being developed. It would be pretty darn close to a nuclear bomb going off," McVoy says. Heretical as this may seem, McVoy wants to be on the side that innovates and makes money. Meni se cini da se nas dragi open-source komjuniti poceo malo po malo trijezniti od svog idealizma i da ljudi malo pomalo shvacaju da je open source nesto sto nema buducnosti, jer je ocekivanje da se sve moze dobiti besplatno i bez imalo truda, naprosto nerealno. I tako se nas dragi open-source komjuniti polako osipa, te ce na kraju u njemu ostati samo ljudi poput cp.tar-a, lila ili AxMija, ljudi gladni besplatnog softvera, antimajkrosoftovski raspolozeni, ali i posve nesposobni da softver sami kreiraju, dakle, puki konzumenti i eksploatatori tudjeg truda i muke! Osim toga, McVoy je i sam rekao ono sto sam i sama vec milijun puta istaknula (pronadjite to za vjezbu u tekstu gore!): da je lako reverse-engineeringom kopirati vec postojecu stvar, ali gdje je tu onda inovacija? Inovacija kosta, a open-source model nije u stanju taj novac pribaviti! Itd, itd! Procitajte ovo gore i vidite do kakvih zakljucaka je na kraju dosao jedan iskusni covjek iz open-source komjunitija, Larry McVoy! pozdrav svima od vase trenutno zbanane math_baby |
25.05.2005., srijeda
Moja danasnja poruka svim obozavateljima kretencine AxMija, a posebno skeptiku koji je uvelike odgovoran za AxMijevo "ustolicenje" na 21 podforumu!
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05.05.2005., četvrtak
Blize se izbori - glasujmo za SDP!!!
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Drage forumasice i forumasi, dragi prijatelji! Pred nama su jos jedni lokalni izbori, pred vama ponovno s ponosom stojimo mi, SDP-ovci, s nasom stabilnom i solidnom strankom. Za SDP bi se zaista tesko moglo reci da pati od ozbiljnih bolesti kakve se neprestano pojavljuju kod drugih stranaka i ja vam, dragi forumasi, s ponosom i srecom mogu i ovaj put reci: nase ruke su ciste! Pokazali smo svima da se u politici moze uraditi i posten posao, za dobrobit sviju! A uradili smo zaista puno. Od onog nereda i kaosa u Zagrebu, njegovim drzavnim poduzecima koja su grcala u gubicima, kojeg su nam ostavili bivsi gulikoze, sjecikese i kriminalni elementi bivse vlasti puno toga smo promijenili i popravili. Ostvarili smo puno toga, radili smo i do 15 sati dnevno samo da bismo grad doveli u kakav-takav red i sprijecili daljnje gomilanje gubitaka. Rezultat? Danas Zagreb pociva na zdravim temeljima! Dragi forumasi, evo sto smo je SDP napravio za nas voljeni grad, evo, ponosna sam sto vam mogu predstaviti samo dio onoga sto smo ostvarili iz naseg proslog predizbornog prgrama: OSTVARENO: UREDJENJE GRADA I INFRASTRUKTURNI PROJEKTI 1) Zapocelo temeljito rjesavanje prometnog kolapsa u gradu - izgradnjom i rekonstrukcijom sljedecih prometnica: Radnicka, Ljubljanska–skorpikova, podvoznjak culinecka, Samoborska, produzetak Branimirove... 2) U tijeku je izgradnja Domovinskog mosta preko Save. 3) Zapocelo rjesavanje problema parkiranja u uzem dijelu grada izgradnjom podzemne garaze na Langovom trgu. 4) Uspjesno provedena rekonstrukcija i uredjenje vise zagrebackih ulica i trgova. 5) Produzena tramvajska pruga na Jarun te rjeseni pravni sporovi i otvoreno tramvajsko okretiste Dubec. 6) Izgradjena nova trznica na Kvatricu. 7) Izgradjen centralni gradski procistac otpadnih voda (Ivanja Reka). 8) Zavrsena sanacija odlagalista otpada na Jakusevcu. 9) Zapoceta realizacija projekta "Voda u svako domacinstvo". 10) Uredjeno skijaliste i popratni objekti na Sljemenu te uspjesno realizirana organizacija Svjetskog skijaskog kupa. 11) Zapocela gradnja Muzeja suvremene umjetnosti u Novom Zagrebu. 12) Zapocele pripreme za gradnju Kongresnog centra. 13) Kazalisna druzina "Histrioni" dobila svoj dom u Ilici. 14) Glazbena akademija dobila svoju zgradu na Trgu Marsala Tita. 15) Izgradjen prvi bazen u Novom Zagrebu (Utrine). 16) Zapoceti sanacija i zavrsetak izgradnje maksimirskog stadiona. GOSPODARSTVENI PROGRAMI 17) Smanjen broj nezaposlenih u gradu Zagrebu te zapocelo intenzivirano kreiranje novih programa zaposljavanja. 18) Ostvarena potpora zagrebackim obrtnicima i poduzetnicima u ukupnom iznosu od oko 50 milijuna eura. 19) U tijeku je prosirenje poduzetnicke zone u Jankomiru te su ostvarene pripreme za izgradnju tehnoloskog parka u Petrusevcu. 20) Sklopljeni su ugovori s hrvatskim konzorcijem o izgradnji 70 niskopodnih tramvaja za ZET, cime je obogacen zagrebacki vozni park te unaprijedjen taj sektor domace proizvodnje. 21) Zagrebacka gradska poduzeca povecala su dobit u poslovanju te je unaprijedjena njihova ucinkovitost. SOCIJALNI, DEMOGRAFSKI I OBRAZOVNI PROJEKTI 22) Redovita pomoc za 46.800 zagrebackih umirovljenika, u ukupnom iznosu od 300 milijuna kuna. Cenzus za dobivanje gradske pomoci povecan je na 1500 kn a visina naknada iznosi 200, 300 i 400 kn. 23) Osiguran besplatan prijevoz za 38.400 nezaposlenih u gradu, za sto je u proracunu za 2005. izdvojeno oko 28 milijuna kuna. 24) Osigurano zemljiste i komunalna infrastruktura za izgradnju 7.800 novih stanova u programu poticajne stanogradnje (spansko, Malesnica, Sesvete, Oporovecka i Vrbani). 25) Sanacija bespravne gradnje, odnosno zauzimanje da se Izmjenama i dopunama Generalnog urbanistickog plana Grada Zagreba legalizira socijalna bespravna gradnja. 26) Uveden djecji dodatak za zagrebacke obitelji - za prvo, drugo, trece i svako daljnje dijete rodjeno nakon 1. sijecnja 2004., u iznosu od 100, 300 i 600 kn. 27) Povecano subvencioniranje djecjih vrtica te stvoreni uvjeti za pocetak gradnje novih vrtica (Malesnica, Jarun, Markusevac, Laniste i Selcina). 28) Osigurani besplatni udzbenici za 68 tisuca zagrebackih osnovnoskolaca, za sto je Grad izdvojio 34,5 milijuna kuna. 29) Zapoceta gradnja, dogradnja ili uredjenje osnovnih skola (Sesvetska sela, Borovje, Hrvatski Leskovac, Brestje i Gracani). Kao sto vidite, dragi forumasi, ima toga jako puno. Puno je tu napravljeno posla, a to je trazilo mnogo rada i energije. No, mi u SDP-u se ne zalimo: volimo raditi ovaj posao i spremni smo ga, uz vase povjerenje, i nastaviti entuzijasticno i s poletom, uspjesno obavljati! Zato vam predlazemo: na ovim izborima glasujte za nas, kako biste bili sigurni da ce stvari ici naprijed ozbiljno, odgovorno, a nadasve posteno! Jer, nase ruke su ciste, mi smo svojim napornim radom to dokazali! Predizborni pozdrav svima od vase math_baby |