Druže porto, sa gnušanjem vam čestitam prelazak na lijevu stranu Bloga, među istinske bogove Olimpa. Mi, desničari, slijedit ćemo vaš put ..no meter vot...
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e, razz, čestitam ti prelazak u bložnu ljevicu. ja sam još uvijek - desna. nažalost. no dobro...još par vagona žganaca, pa bum valjda i ja narasla.!!
mah mah od mene:)~~~~~~~~~
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hehehe za konja i žene na kraju... prije pola godine mi frend doturio BR-the game (mozebitno kasno palim, ali eto...) i tako igram (prije pohađam hram boziji) i zvrcnem ga javiti mu najdraži dio: kada dojdeš u stan i odeš na balkon, vangelis u pozadini, svijet kao da stoji i ti si kao da si tamo rodjen na preispituješ sama sebe... nevjerovatno... ispalo na kraju da nam je oboje to najdraži dio igre...
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Carice...i prije bloga, ti lijeva jesi!:)))
Barbie, i mojoj ženi je to definitvno najdraži dio igre...kad me potjera van na balkon da se preispitujem :))))
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najpoetičniji osvrt na Bladerunnera koji pročitah, ti si uistinu dostojan fan :)
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nick nemo
Ej, Majmuninho, i ovo si ukrao! Pa ti si Dario stvarno duševno bolestan! Kako se osjećaš dok ti krave, recimo poput M.Blejz mašu repom, a ti po netu pabirčiš tekstove koje prezentiraš kao svoje!
The chess game between Tyrell and Sebastian is the conclusion of an informal game played between Adolf Anderssen and Lionel Kieseritzky, in London at Simpson's on the Strand in 1851. They were both maths teachers and well-known, successful chess players. However Kieseritzky (the loser) died a pauper just two years later. In 1855 Ernst Falkbeer came up with the name the "Immortal Game" and it has become one of the most famous chess games ever played. It has even been used occasionally for La Partita - a chess game recreated with real people every year in Marostica, Italy.
It starts off with King's Gambit, which Kieseritzky accepts. Anderssen follows with the King's Bishop Gambit. Kieseritzky, playing Black, doesn't develop most of his pieces relying on the Queen's power to achieve his goals. After Black's first challenges are rebuffed, he sweeps forward with false confidence. White loses his Bishop early (it gets fried in an electrical field) and has his two Rooks shot, but this doesn't affect his goal. At the end, his Queen dies, but he is still victorious. White may have lost his most valuable pieces, but it is the Black King who ends up with his eyes crushed into his skull.
Note, the chessboards in Blade Runner are not arranged exactly as they should be for the position in The Immortal Game and Sebastian's and Tyrell's boards are not set up the same as each other.
There are two different transcriptions documented in chess books and some other incorrect variations presented on the Web. The main variation is in the order of moves 18-20. (White is ignoring the threats to his Rooks so it doesn't really matter in the end which order the Rooks get taken - White is already setting up the kill.). The position after 20 is the same in both versions. It has been suggested by some that Kieseritzky might have resigned in move 20. With no way to continue attacking the White King, he has to defend his static back row, but it is in fact already too late as he has nowhere to run. The subsequent moves (21-23) are the ones that are relevant to Blade Runner. So here is the correct transcription of The Immortal Game and main variation, presented in Figurine Algebraic Notation.
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Qh4+ 4.Kf1 b5 5.Bxb5 Nf6 6.Nf3 Qh6 7.d3 Nh5 8.Nh4 Qg5 9.Nf5 c6 10.g4 Nf6 11.Rg1 cxb5 12.h4 Qg6 13.h5 Qg5 14.Qf3 Ng8 15.Bxf4 Qf6 16.Nc3 Bc5 17.Nd5 Qxb2 18.Bd6 Bxg1 19.e5 Qxa1+ 20.Ke2 Na6 21.Nxg7+ Kd8 22.Qf6+ Nxf6 23.Be7++
(To play through this game visually, try this site.)
The chess boards in the film are not arranged exactly as they would in be the Immortal Game, and Sebastian's board does not match Tyrell's.
This is what happens in the movie:
Roy makes a move. [22.Qf6+]
JF says, "No, knight takes queen, see? Won't do." [22....Nxf6]
Roy then does that on the board and sits down to examine the board further.
Later, in the elevator, JF (repeating Roy) says "Queen to Bishop 6. Check." [22.Qf6+]
Tyrell responds with "Knight takes queen." [22....Nxf6]
and the response is "Bishop to King 7. Checkmate." [23.Be7++]
These are the last moves of the "Immortal Game" that are being played.
So, Roy's initial move that JF discounts is the second last move to winning the game and JF has not seen it, and Tyrell does the same as JF had initially responded to Roy.
On a simple level, the game can be seen as just the fight of replicants against humans. However, The Immortal Game is also a clear reflection of the struggle for longer life that Roy and his fellow replicants seek. They want to escape from their status as pawns and find immortality (as a pawn becoming a queen on the eighth rank). Yet another layer can be seen at the individual level with Roy chasing King Tyrell. In the game, Roy checkmates Tyrell. In life, Roy sets up Tyrell - Tyrell gets some false confidence just before the end, but just as in the game, the King eventually dies.
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he he možda nisi upoznat sa time kako nastaje neki tekst, no u 99,99 % slučajeva nešto inspirira pisca da napiše svoju priču. tako je i mene inspirirala partija iz bladerunnera. onda pisac sjedne i prouči materiju. da nisi toliko površan čitač i da ti jedina namjera nije smiješni pokušaj diskreditiranja, uočio bi da se sama priča razvila u sasvim drugačijem smjeru. btw. iskoristit ću ovo za najavu svoje knjige ''PRIČE O ŠAHU'' u kojoj će se nalaziti moje konteplacije nad poznatim šahovskim partijama. hvala ti što mi radiš reklamu :)))
08.11.2005. (08:43)
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Ka Sparrow
Ha ha pusti budalu Porto...... Tzv. - The Immortal Game - Anderssen & Kieseritzky -i partija odigrana u Bladerunneru znane su svim poznavaocima šaha i fanovima Bladerunnera , moram priznati odlično si napisao ove pričice !
08.11.2005. (09:07)
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hahah ma to je stari pacijent ka sparrowe :))) nicku nemo kojem sam se popeo, hajde kada si tako promućuran, nabroji mi ovdje jednu jedinu temu o kojoj još nitko nikad nije pisao i na koju u svijetskoj literaturi i kolektivnom nasljeđu ne postoji referenca ???? pa da pišem o tome. evo ti zadatak za domaću zadaću, pa dumaj o tome. kada ga se dotakneš, znaj da si dotaknuo vječni TAO.... neizgovorljiv, neispisiv... ne... ;)))) .
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Herostrat(ište)
Druže porto, sa gnušanjem vam čestitam prelazak na lijevu stranu Bloga, među istinske bogove Olimpa. Mi, desničari, slijedit ćemo vaš put ..no meter vot...
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Porto
Hvala, hvala druže Herostraže.., obostrano gnušanje glede a u svezi vašeg countera koji je premašio 2400. Čitaniji ste od Aralice :)))
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carica
e, razz, čestitam ti prelazak u bložnu ljevicu. ja sam još uvijek - desna. nažalost. no dobro...još par vagona žganaca, pa bum valjda i ja narasla.!! mah mah od mene:)~~~~~~~~~
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Barbie's Lobotomy
hehehe za konja i žene na kraju... prije pola godine mi frend doturio BR-the game (mozebitno kasno palim, ali eto...) i tako igram (prije pohađam hram boziji) i zvrcnem ga javiti mu najdraži dio: kada dojdeš u stan i odeš na balkon, vangelis u pozadini, svijet kao da stoji i ti si kao da si tamo rodjen na preispituješ sama sebe... nevjerovatno... ispalo na kraju da nam je oboje to najdraži dio igre...
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Porto
Carice...i prije bloga, ti lijeva jesi!:))) Barbie, i mojoj ženi je to definitvno najdraži dio igre...kad me potjera van na balkon da se preispitujem :))))
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majne blogich
Ahh, Blade.. Nema do njega. A ni do OST-a. zakon. Idem si ga plejat odma :)
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MODESTI BLEJZ
najpoetičniji osvrt na Bladerunnera koji pročitah, ti si uistinu dostojan fan :)
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nick nemo
Ej, Majmuninho, i ovo si ukrao! Pa ti si Dario stvarno duševno bolestan! Kako se osjećaš dok ti krave, recimo poput M.Blejz mašu repom, a ti po netu pabirčiš tekstove koje prezentiraš kao svoje! The chess game between Tyrell and Sebastian is the conclusion of an informal game played between Adolf Anderssen and Lionel Kieseritzky, in London at Simpson's on the Strand in 1851. They were both maths teachers and well-known, successful chess players. However Kieseritzky (the loser) died a pauper just two years later. In 1855 Ernst Falkbeer came up with the name the "Immortal Game" and it has become one of the most famous chess games ever played. It has even been used occasionally for La Partita - a chess game recreated with real people every year in Marostica, Italy. It starts off with King's Gambit, which Kieseritzky accepts. Anderssen follows with the King's Bishop Gambit. Kieseritzky, playing Black, doesn't develop most of his pieces relying on the Queen's power to achieve his goals. After Black's first challenges are rebuffed, he sweeps forward with false confidence. White loses his Bishop early (it gets fried in an electrical field) and has his two Rooks shot, but this doesn't affect his goal. At the end, his Queen dies, but he is still victorious. White may have lost his most valuable pieces, but it is the Black King who ends up with his eyes crushed into his skull. Note, the chessboards in Blade Runner are not arranged exactly as they should be for the position in The Immortal Game and Sebastian's and Tyrell's boards are not set up the same as each other. There are two different transcriptions documented in chess books and some other incorrect variations presented on the Web. The main variation is in the order of moves 18-20. (White is ignoring the threats to his Rooks so it doesn't really matter in the end which order the Rooks get taken - White is already setting up the kill.). The position after 20 is the same in both versions. It has been suggested by some that Kieseritzky might have resigned in move 20. With no way to continue attacking the White King, he has to defend his static back row, but it is in fact already too late as he has nowhere to run. The subsequent moves (21-23) are the ones that are relevant to Blade Runner. So here is the correct transcription of The Immortal Game and main variation, presented in Figurine Algebraic Notation. 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Qh4+ 4.Kf1 b5 5.Bxb5 Nf6 6.Nf3 Qh6 7.d3 Nh5 8.Nh4 Qg5 9.Nf5 c6 10.g4 Nf6 11.Rg1 cxb5 12.h4 Qg6 13.h5 Qg5 14.Qf3 Ng8 15.Bxf4 Qf6 16.Nc3 Bc5 17.Nd5 Qxb2 18.Bd6 Bxg1 19.e5 Qxa1+ 20.Ke2 Na6 21.Nxg7+ Kd8 22.Qf6+ Nxf6 23.Be7++ (To play through this game visually, try this site.) The chess boards in the film are not arranged exactly as they would in be the Immortal Game, and Sebastian's board does not match Tyrell's. This is what happens in the movie: Roy makes a move. [22.Qf6+] JF says, "No, knight takes queen, see? Won't do." [22....Nxf6] Roy then does that on the board and sits down to examine the board further. Later, in the elevator, JF (repeating Roy) says "Queen to Bishop 6. Check." [22.Qf6+] Tyrell responds with "Knight takes queen." [22....Nxf6] and the response is "Bishop to King 7. Checkmate." [23.Be7++] These are the last moves of the "Immortal Game" that are being played. So, Roy's initial move that JF discounts is the second last move to winning the game and JF has not seen it, and Tyrell does the same as JF had initially responded to Roy. On a simple level, the game can be seen as just the fight of replicants against humans. However, The Immortal Game is also a clear reflection of the struggle for longer life that Roy and his fellow replicants seek. They want to escape from their status as pawns and find immortality (as a pawn becoming a queen on the eighth rank). Yet another layer can be seen at the individual level with Roy chasing King Tyrell. In the game, Roy checkmates Tyrell. In life, Roy sets up Tyrell - Tyrell gets some false confidence just before the end, but just as in the game, the King eventually dies.
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DAKLE, OD PET TEKSTOVA O ŠAHU U TRI MINUTE PRONAŠAO SAM DVA UKRADENA! NAPUŠTAM OVAJ BLOG ZAUVIJEK, A POTRUDIT ĆU SE DISKREDITIRATI TE GDJE GOD MOGU. NAPROSTO, TAKO NE IDE, INŽENJERU RUKAVINA! TUĐE BLOGOVE POD SVOJE NEBUŠ PRODAVAL!
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Porto
he he možda nisi upoznat sa time kako nastaje neki tekst, no u 99,99 % slučajeva nešto inspirira pisca da napiše svoju priču. tako je i mene inspirirala partija iz bladerunnera. onda pisac sjedne i prouči materiju. da nisi toliko površan čitač i da ti jedina namjera nije smiješni pokušaj diskreditiranja, uočio bi da se sama priča razvila u sasvim drugačijem smjeru. btw. iskoristit ću ovo za najavu svoje knjige ''PRIČE O ŠAHU'' u kojoj će se nalaziti moje konteplacije nad poznatim šahovskim partijama. hvala ti što mi radiš reklamu :)))
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Ka Sparrow
Ha ha pusti budalu Porto...... Tzv. - The Immortal Game - Anderssen & Kieseritzky -i partija odigrana u Bladerunneru znane su svim poznavaocima šaha i fanovima Bladerunnera , moram priznati odlično si napisao ove pričice !
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Porto
hahah ma to je stari pacijent ka sparrowe :))) nicku nemo kojem sam se popeo, hajde kada si tako promućuran, nabroji mi ovdje jednu jedinu temu o kojoj još nitko nikad nije pisao i na koju u svijetskoj literaturi i kolektivnom nasljeđu ne postoji referenca ???? pa da pišem o tome. evo ti zadatak za domaću zadaću, pa dumaj o tome. kada ga se dotakneš, znaj da si dotaknuo vječni TAO.... neizgovorljiv, neispisiv... ne... ;)))) .
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