PROJEKT SERPO ANONIMNI IZVORI NA MAILING LISTI VICTORA MARTINEZA
Bok!
Čudnom igrom sinkroniciteta, ovih su se dana zbile uzbudljive novosti u ufologiji. Sinkronicitet nije veliki, ali je za mene ipak zanimljiv, jer sam prije nekih dva tjedna u nekoj knjižari u Washingtonu kupio knjigu „Alien Agenda“ novinara Jima Marrsa (ovo nije greška, doista se tako preziva). Nisam puno očekivao od knjige, ali pokazalo se da je jedna od najtemeljitije napisanih knjiga koje sam imao u rukama na temu NLO-a. Jim si je stvarno dao truda i predstavio svaku kontroverzu ufologije s bezbroj detalja i novih momenata koje nisam znao, kao i iz raznih kutova. Naravno, istinu je nemoguće negirati, kolik god fantastična bila. Povijest prikrivanja NLO-a prikazana je vjerodostojnije nego u i u jednoj knjizi koju sam imao prilike čitati.
Svako pojedino poglavlje je toliko zanimljivo da bih vam ga najradije prenio u cjelini, ali naravno to je nemoguće. Jim je to već napravio, a ja svakom onom tko je zainteresiran za materiju NLO-a preporučam da se usredotoči na ovu knjigu.
I tako, u danima dok sam čitao tu knjigu – uglavnom na beskonačnim interkontinentalnim letovima koji traju od deset do dvadeset sati – u mom inboxu pojavili su se nevjerojatni materijali. Poslao mi ih je moj nevjerojatno pouzdani i stručni kolega Giulinano Marinković, po mom najdubljem uvjerenju, jedan od najboljih svjetskih poznavatelja ufologije, kao u smislu podataka tako i u smislu uvijek prijeko potrebnog opreza i rasuđivanja.
Ti materijali su mi legli savršeno, s obzirom da sam, zahvaljujući Marrsovoj knjizi, upravo bio duboko među NLO-ima, i u višedesetljetnoj (ponekad i nevjerojatnoj banalnoj, ali uspješnoj) američkoj politici prikrivanja.
Riječ je o Ronaldu Reaganu.
Naime, materijal koji slijedi potiče sa mailing liste Victora Martineza, svojevrsnog uporišta underground-ufologije. Lista sadrži stotine članova i na listi primatelja sadržana su sva vodeća imena iz ufologije i paranormalnih područja. Tako tu npr. možemo naći Harolda Puthoffa, Bruce Maccabeea, Nick Popea, Stevena Greera, Richarda Dolana, Stantona Friedmana, Edgara Mitchella...itd. Također na listu je uključeno i dosta osobenjaka sa iskustvima iz vojno-obavještajnih karijera.
Kroz distribuirane poruke, javljaju se svojevrsni anonimusi koji tvrde da su pripadnici zajednice koja drži i kontrolira informacije oko tajne infrastrukture NLO-a. Egzotične tehnologije i reverzibilni inženjering i dalje su, po tim tvrdnjama, domena elitne skupine koja drži ovu tajnu pod kontrolom. No, po tim navodima, grupaciju već dulje vrijeme drmaju određene frakcije oko pitanja službenog razotkrivanja NLO-a. Dok jedna frakcija smatra da bi tajnu infrastrukturu trebalo i dalje držati pod željeznom zavjesom, druga frakcija se zalaže za "kontrolirano razotkrivanje" koje se provodi preko anonimnih izvora i curenja koja se potiču.
Sve je kulminiralo krajem 2005. kada je svojevrsni "anonimus" na listi počeo slati informacije o tzv."programu Serpo". Navodni program uključivao je razmjenu astronauta sa Zemlje i izvanzemljana sa binarnogsustava Zeta Reticulli. Navodno, dvanaest američkih astronauta bilo je uključeno u ovaj program razmjene i prema planetu izvanzemljana krenuli su 1965. godine. Kako priča kaže, tamo su živjeli 13 godina, da bi se vratili na zemlju 1978. Dva astronauta preminula su na stranome planetu, dva su odlučila zauvijek ostati, a osmorica su se vratila na Zemlju. Svi pripadnici ove ekspedicije danas više nisu živi, ponajprije zbog teških zdravstvenih posljedica koje je prouzročilo putovanje.
Takva drska priča prouzročila je pravu eksploziju u ufološkoj zajednici. Dok se za neke radilo o domeni lošeg SF-a, za druge istraživače ovo je postala strastvena potraga za pravim činjenicama. Od tada, traju agresivne rasprave o autentičnosti ovih navoda. Jedan dio ufološke zajednice program Serpo jednostavno ignorira zbog "sulude maštovitosti", drugi šute, a treći smatraju da bi priča mogla imati stvarna uporišta, no da je možda iskorištena za program dezinformiranja. Od tada, mailing lista Victora Martineza dobila je ugled "eksperimentalnog poligona za razotkrivanje NLO.a". Anonimusi su se nastavljali javljati i slati dodatne informacije o cijeloj priči. Neke priče su se poklapale, a neke pobijale, no vjerojatan zaključak je da distribucija "informacija" stiže iz više izvora. O motivima ovih autora možemo samo nagađati. Je li u pitanju obična internet-obmana od nekoga tko ima dosta slobodnog vremena ili je u pitanju nešto krupnije – who knows? Kad se uzme u obzir sve ono što vjerojatno doista jest (po pitanju ufologije), doista svašta postaje moguće.
Priča nije završila do današnjih dana. 28. listopada 2007. stigla je nova poruka gdje je Victor najavio da će kroz dva dana poslati eksplicitne podatke od anonimusa o tajnoj infrastrukturi koja kontrolira podatke o NLO-ima i da će to označiti novi period javnog razotkrivanja. Kako se kaže, odluka za ovu agresivniju akciju kontroliranog razotkrivanja došla je nakon konferencijske veze od šest sudionika koja je trajala 4 sata i 50 minuta. "Sada će svi dobiti jedinstvenu priliku da dobiju uvid u interne djelatnosti grupacije koja se uistinu bavila sa kontrolom informacija oko prisutnosti izvanzemljana na Zemlji".
Kao što je bilo i obećano, materijal je uistinu distribuiran 30. listopada i sadržava navodni transkript audio-snimke koja uključuje briefing predsjednika Ronalda Reagana oko realnosti NLO.a. Ali i puno više od toga, kao što će strpljivi imati prilike saznati.
Da ne bih prepričavao, a i da i sami pokušate osjetiti je li riječ o prijevarim ili autentičnim dokumentima, postirat ću u cjelosti prvi od nekoliko dijelova navodnih transkripata. Mada će vam to vjerojatno biti premalo – slučajno sam jedne večeri oko 11 sati otvorio poštu i početi čitati transkripte – i nisam se mogao zaustaviti do pola tri ujutro.
Na forumima o NLO-ima već su počele rasprave, a najveći dio kritika upućen je Victoru Martinezu zato jer nije objavio imena savjetnika 1, 2, 3 i 4 već ih jednostavno zamaskirao. Victor je danima razmišljao o tome i na kraju ipak odlučio zamaskirati imena iz straha da bi, u slučaju da je poslao cijeli transkript u izvornom obliku, ova priča došla do mainstream-medija i da bi imenovane savjetnike počeli opsjedati novinari - ti ljudi su jos uvijek živi i aktivni VIP-ovci.
Zbog straha da od medijske eksplozije, anonimusi na kraju ne bi prekinuli objavu materijala, Victor je odlučio stvar zamaskirati. Evo Victorovog odgovora na spomenutu primjedbu: „Dear XXX,
The problem is that if I revealed the names of those involved and they're are still ALIVE, they would do everything to stop future releases ... don't the forum members understand that?!“
Inače, sam Reagan nije novi lik u ufologiji, jer se često citira nekoliko njegovih izjava koje su zvučale kao da je Ronnie nešto što znao štio nije mogao podijeliti. Ili je možda sve slučajnost? Kakogod da bilo, evo tih često citiranih izjava.
Reagan je, u televizijskom obraćanju u ožujku
1983. godine, iznenadio američki narod i svijet (a prema kasnijim
informacijama i većinu dužnosnika na vrhu vlastite administracije)
obavijestivši ih o svom projektu Strateške obrambene Inicijative (SDI), koncepcije zaštitnog štita u svemiru protiv projektila i letjelica. Bilo je prirodno pretpostaviti kako je jedina svrha tog projekta bila postizanje vojne prevlasti nad Sovjetskim savezom. Takva je bila i sovjetska reakcija i to silovita. Kada je 1985. godine Mihail Gorbačov naslijedio Konstantina Čemjenka na mjestu sovjetskog vođe, ustrajao je na stajalištu kako svako poboljšanje u istočno-zapadnim odnosima
ovisi prije svega o napuštanju SDI-a. Međutim, već prije isteka godine, počelo se utvrđivati novo raspoloženje, navodno nakon što je sovjetski vođa obaviješten o stvamim razlozima postavljanja SDI-a. Antagonizam je zamijenjen stavom o dogovoru, a dogovoriti se je trebalo o suradnji u svemiru, točnije, o zajedničkom odlasku na Mars.
(U svojoj fenomenalnoj knjizi „Day after Roswell“ pukovnik Phillip J. Corso – čiji je zadatak bio proslijeđivati izvanzemaljsku tehnologiju sa srušenih NLO-a u američku vojnu industriju na taj način da se izgubi svaki trag njenom pravom podrijetlu -također piše kako je utrka u naoružanju sa SSSR-om bila samo paravan za razvijanje tehnologije zbog izvanzemaljske prijetnje, kako su na NLO-e američka vojska i agencije, u nedostatku boljih informacija, počeli gledati još krajem 1940-tih)
U listopadu te iste 1985. godine, nekoliko američkih kongresmena, vladinih dužnosnika i bivših astronauta dobilo je poziv Sovjetske akademije znanosti da po prvi puta posjete sovjetska svemirska
postrojenja. Sigumo je i kod jednih i kod drugih bilo protivljenja takvom opuštanju. Mnogi dužnosnici obrane i konzervativni političari Sjedinjenih država protivili su se «smanjivanju straža» u hladnom ratu, posebice u svemiru. Predsjednik Reagan se u prošlosti složio s takvom procjenom i odbijao je sastanak s vođom «zloglasnog Carstva» punih pet godina.
U studenom 1985. godine, Reagan i Gorbačov su se sastali i pojavili kao prijateljski saveznici, objavljujući novo doba suradnje,
povjerenja i razumijevanja. Od Reagana je zatraženo da objasni ovaj zaokret. Odgovorio je kako je svemir stvorio tu zajedničku svrhu. Ili, točnije, opasnost iz svemira za sve narode na Zemlji. U prvoj prilici za javno obrazloženje, u Fallstonu, Maryland, 4.prosinca 1985. godine, predsjednik Reaganje rekao:
„Kao što znate, Nancy i ja smo se prije gotovo dva tjedna vratili iz
Geneve, gdje sam održao nekoliko duljih sastanaka s Generalnim sekretarom Sovjetskog saveza Gorbačovom. Održali smo više od petnaest sati razgovora, uključujući i pet sati privatnog razgovora, samo nas dvojica. Shvatio sam da je on odlučan čovjek koji istovremeno voli slušati. Govorio sam mu kako Amerikanci silno žele mir i ne predstavljaju prijetnju Sovjetskom Savezu i izrazio svoje uvjerenje da narodi obje naše zemlje žele isto, sigurniju i bolju budućnost za sebe i svoju djecu... U jednom dijelu privatnog razgovora s Generalnim sekretarom Gorbačovom, kada zastanete i shvatite kako smo svi mi djeca Božja, ma gdje na svijetu živjeli, nisam se mogao suzdržati a da mu ne kažem: Pomislite samo koliko bi vaš i moj zadatak na ovakvim sastancima bio jednostavniji kada bi odjednom ovom našem svijetu zaprijetila neka druga vrsta sa drugog planeta, tamo negdje u svemiru. Zaboravili bismo sve postojeće lokalne razlike među naših zemljama i otkrili jednom za svagda kako smo svi mi ljudska bića, na ovoj Zemlji, zajedno. Također sam govorio gospodinu Gorbačovu o odanosti našeg naroda Strateškoj obrambenoj inicijativi, našim istraživanjima i razvoju protunuklearnog
štita visoke tehnologije, koji bi nas zaštitio od balističkih projektila i koliko smo tome predani. Rekao sam mu kako je SDI razlog za
nadu. a ne za strah.
Tada je prvi put u javnosti Ronnie spomenuo «prijetnju našem svijetu od strane nekih drugih vrsta sa drugog planeta» koja bi mogla biti razlogom spajanja dva naroda i obustavi sovjetskog protivljenja projektu SDI.
Američkog predsjednika zanimala je «prijetnja» i potreba za obranom iz svemira protiv takve prijetnje. U Journey into Space, Bruce Murray, direktorvNASA-inog i Caltechovog Jet Propulsion Laboratory-a od 1976. do 1982. godine (i suosnivač Planetarnog Društva s Carlom Saganom), govori kako je na sastanku u Bijeloj kući u ožujku 1986. godine sa skupinom od šest probranih svemirskih znanstvenika, održanom radi inforrniranja predsjednika Reagana o otkrićima Voyagera na Uranu, predsjednik postavio pitanje: «Gospodo, vi ste
istraživali mnogo toga u svemiru: jeste li pronašli kakav dokaz o postojanju nekih drugih bića?» Kada su odgovorili negativno, on je zaključio sastanak riječima kako se nada da će «vrijeme donijeti više uzbuđenja.»
No, možda su ovo bila samo mudrovanja ostarjelog vođe.
Kakogod da bilo, iz javnih bilježaka doznaje se da se 16. veljače 1987. godine, u glavnom obraćanju na međunarodnom forumu pod naslovom Opstanak čovječanstva, u Velikoj kremljanskoj palači u Moskvi, Gorbačov podsjetio svojeg razgovora s predsjednikom Reaganom, gotovo identičnim riječima koje je upotrijebio američki predsjednik: «Od kada je čovjek po prvi puta počeo razmišljati o budućnosti, najbolji umovi brinu o sudbini svijeta i budućnosti
čovječanstva. Sve do nedavno ovakva i slična razmišljanja smatrala su se vježbom mašte, zanimanjem filozofa, učenjaka i teologa koja nisu od ovoga svijeta. Međutim, u proteklih nekoliko desetljeća ovi su se problemi uzdigli na visoku praktičnu razinu.» Nakon što je ukazao na opasnosti od nukleamog oružja i zajedničke interese «ljudske civilizacije», Gorbi je nastavio: „Na našem sastanku u Genevi, američki predsjednik je rekao kako bi, u slučaju da se Zemlja suoči s invazijom izvanzemljana, Sjedinjene Države i Sovjetski Savez trebali udružiti snage ne bi li suzbili takvu invaziju. Ja neću osporavati ovu hipotezu, iako smatram da je još prerano brinuti o takvom uplitanju.“
U Sjedinjenim državama su se nastavljala protivljenja započetoj rusko-američkoj suradnji u svemirskim projektima. Potaknut ovakvim prigovorima, predsjednik Reagan je još jednom javno progovorio o prijetnji izvanzemljana. To se dogodilo prilikom njegovog obraćanja Generalnoj skupštini Ujedinjenih naroda 21. rujna 1987 .godine. Izjavio je: „U našoj opsjednutosti trenutnim antagonizmima često
zaboravljamo koliko toga povezuje članove ljudskog društva. Možda nam je potrebna izvjesna univerzalna vanjska prijetnja kako bismo prepoznali tu zajedničku vezu. Ja povremeno razmišljam o tome kako bi naše razlike brzo nestale kada bismo se morali suočiti sa stranom (alien) prijetnjom koja bi došla izvan ovog svijeta.“
U časopisu The New Republic stariji urednik Fred Bames izvijestio je da je predsjednik Reagan u vrijeme ručka u Bijeloj kući 5. rujna, zatražio potvrdu od sovjetskog ministra vanjskih poslova da će
se Sovjetski Savez uistinu pridružiti Sjedinjenim državama u obrani od strane prijetnje iz vanjskog svemira, na što je Ševamadze odgovorio: «Da, apsolutno.»
Suradnja na razvoju misija na Mars je trajala, no i dalje su neki (recimo američki tajnik obrane Casper Weinberger, u prosincu 1987.) optuživali Sovjetski savez za potajno razvijanje sustava satelita-ubojica u okviru «Rata zvijezda» i provođenje eksperimenata s laserskim oružjem sa sovjetske orbitalne stanice Mir. Tako je predsjednik Reagan još jednom pokrenuo pitanje tajne prijetnje. Na sastanku sa članovima Nacionalnog strategijskog foruma, održanom u Chicagu u svibnju 1988. godine, govorio im je o tome kako sebi često postavlja pitanje: „Što bi se dogodilo kada bismo svi mi u svijetu otkrili da nam prijeti netko izvana, neka sila iz vanjskog svemira, sa nekog drugog planeta?“
Nejasnu prijetnju iz «vanjskog svemira» zamijenila je prijetnja s «drugog planeta».
A sad evo i prvog dijela najnovijih, navodnih transkripata, koji kruže tek nekoliko dana, od 30. listopada. Na engleskom naravno, jer nemam vremena sve to prevoditi. Kome je već do sad dosta čitanja, nek si ostavi za sutra :- )
TRANSKIPTI REAGANOVIH BRIEFINGA
THIS RELEASE HAS BEEN APPROVED BY and AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE U.S.GOVERNMENT as part of a continuing public acclimation program.
WHAT: Transcripts of highly classified audio cassette recordings made of 40th U.S. president RONALD REAGAN's briefings with his top level and key advisers on the EXTRATERRESTRIAL subject matter. There are six briefings in the first set
WHEN: President REAGAN was briefed on many aspects of the
EXTRATERRESTRIAL subject matter from March 6-8, 1981 and then again on October 9-12 of the same year.
WHERE: President REAGAN was briefed on both occasions at the
presidential retreat at Camp David, MD.
HOW: At President REAGAN's request, these briefings were both tape recorded AND transcribed via the coordination and administration by a "Top Secret Codeword-cleared" CIA administrative assistant named XXXXXXXXXX. The recordings comprise many meetings/briefings in a combination of 60 min and 90 min cassettes for a total of 54 tapes. Of the 54 tapes, 40 have been completed by DOD-DIA personnel; you are reading the transcripts of one of six (1 of 6) briefings President REAGAN made between Friday-Sunday, March 6-8, 1981.
DOD/DIA personnel were able to gain access to and possession and
ownership of these tapes because SOME of the recordings deal with an ALIEN THREAT from a specific HAV [Hostile Alien Race] and therefore fall under the purview, control and jurisdictional authority of the Dept of Defense.
WHY: The reasons to disclose this information now is two-fold:
1) As in the case of the "Project SERPO" disclosures, the 25-year time
limit on classified USG projects had expired and could -- after much
legal vetting and wrangling between DOD lawyers and those USG employees who WANT it released -- be CONSIDERED for public release and into the public domain.The "Project SERPO" final report was issued in 1980 + 25 years = 2005... Wednesday, Nov 2, 2005 was the first "Project SERPO" release.The RONALD REAGAN Presidential ET Briefings: 1981 + 25 years = 2006 ...legal issues to be worked out and resolved brings us to late 2007.
2) MANY other countries are disclosing their encounters with
extraterrestrials -- especially Canada, the UK (MoD files) and Latin
America -- so some amount of pressure has been placed and brought to bear on the normally tight-lipped USG "black world" to be more open about what they/we have in our "TS/Codeword" files.
CLOSING NOTE: From the very first SERPO posting, I've been given a very wide, great and sole discretionary latitude in HOW I release the material to the public in terms of presentation, formatting, style and CONTENT. For THIS release, I was surprisingly provided the names of ALL eight (8) individuals who participated in the classified briefing plus even the name of the CIA briefing transcriber. Five (5) of the presidential briefing participants are still alive -- plus the CIA transcriber – so I made the "executive"/editorial decision to MASK THOSE NAMES from public view and replace them with "ADVISER #1" - "ADVISER #4." For the fifth individual, he is referred to only as "The CARETAKER." The CIA transcriber is referred to as just that. GREAT pains, lengths and efforts were undertaken by me to delete their names when they were mentioned by other speakers. If I glossed over and missed one, then so be it though I hope not. Including President REAGAN, only three (3) individuals are named as they have all passed on to the afterlife.
ISSUE: Though I was NOT asked to do this, in my mind, an obvious problem would definitely arise: These still-living advisers would be hounded, pestered and questioned mercilessly and without end by both real UFO investigators and "armchair" researchers thereby bringing continued DISCLOSURE of these audio recordings to a complete HALT. The pressure for me to CEASE and DESIST, as well as the special unit within the DOD/DIA who made this information available would be enormous. I am ONLY interested in getting I-N-F-O-R-M-A-T-I-O-N out to the UFO community and public at large, NOT in "outing" the individuals who participated in these PRIVATE briefings ... at least NOT while five of the eight (5 of 8) participants are still very much alive. If I receive directions to proceed otherwise, I certainly will, but until that time, it's MY CALL. As ANONYMOUS remarked to me: "Victor, the really 'good stuff' is yet to
come after the first release!" Speaking for myself only, I too WANT to see that "really good stuff" and I'll do NOTHING to jeopardize at all. This will be my FINAL word on THIS matter and I'll entertain NO
suggestions, advice or ideas at all about it ... I'll NOT dignify ANY
inquiries regarding this particular issue with even so much as a simple
reply.
Project SERPO POSTING #27a: The Reagan Presidential ET Release
Transcript of classified tape recording made at Camp David, Maryland
during a presidential briefing regarding the subject of UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS and EXTRATERRESTRIAL VISITATION of EARTH. President RONALD REAGAN was present. The recording was made between March 6 and 8,
1981.
WILLIAM CASEY: Mr President, good morning. As we discussed in February,this briefing contains some very sensational and some very, very classified information. I am not sure, oh, well, I'm not going to make a decision on who you want in the room. That will be your decision, Mr President. This will be a real tough one to follow since the briefing starts back, historically speaking, that is, and runs up to recent times. I believe we have prepared a good chronological order of events. I'm sure you, Mr President, will have many questions.
The list of questions presented to me by ADVISER #2 should all be
answered during this briefing. I hope they are, more than anyone,
especially you, Mr President, leave this briefing with questions still
unanswered. I have asked The Caretaker to conduct this briefing. He is a contract employee of the CIA and is the present custodian of the
information. Are we to assume that everyone is present?
PRESIDENT: Well, it will be entirely up to you, Bill. I guess everyone must be cleared for this briefing of information, is that not correct?
WM CASEY: Well, it appears everyone is, but as you will see Mr
President, this stuff is pretty high up on the food chain. We call it
ATS or "Above Top Secret." This stuff has its own classification and
markings. We have a special container, special printers and copiers for
this stuff. Every word of this material is printed on special paper then
placed inside special covers. The caretakers have taken special efforts
to protect all of this stuff from being released inadvertently or copied
by some unauthorized person. But all of this material is protected by a special group of people. The Caretaker is in charge of protecting this information and all of the other stuff associated with this information. I would prefer that you, Mr President, decide on who you want in this room. Remember, this material is a closely guarded secret. Although the gist of the story has been out there for many years, very little of the ACTUAL TRUTH has ever been released to the public. Oh, yes, well, by some of the renegades maybe, but many of them have been discredited.
PRESIDENT: OK, Bill, I guess we need ADVISER #1, you, ADVISER #3 and Caspar here. I think ADVISER #2 and Michael can leave.
ADVISER #2: Mr President, excuse me, but I would prefer to leave. I
don't wish to know this information. You know, plausible denial or
something like that.
MICHAEL DEAVER: Mr President, whatever you wish, I'll do. It would be an interesting subject, but do I really have a need to know? No, I don't think so.
PRESIDENT: OK, I guess that is it.
WM CASEY: Thank you, Mr President. I will now turn the briefing over to The Caretaker.
ADVISER #3: Mr President, and Mr Director, I already had this briefing. I can stay or leave. Secretary Weinberger and myself received this a few weeks ago.
SECRETARY WEINBERGER: Mr President, as you know, we have some pending business regarding that Soviet problem in Berlin. I think we might just handle that.
ADVISER #3 and I will let you close this meeting to just a
few.
PRESIDENT: OK, Casp, I guess you and ADVISER #3 can leave. Thanks for coming.
WM CASEY: OK, Mr President, that certainly narrows the audience. I think this is just right.
PRESIDENT: OK, well, I can't wait to hear this. Let's proceed.
The CARETAKER: Good morning, Mr President. First of all, I would like to give you a bit of information on my background. But before that, please, Mr President, if you have questions during this briefing, just interrupt me, sir. I have been employed by the CIA for the past 31 years. I started the caretaking status of this project in 1960. We have a special group of people whom we call "Group 6," that cares for all this
information.
PRESIDENT: Good morning, I hope, well, I believe I will ask questions. Bill briefed me back in January, but I'm not sure ... huh ... well, was it detailed, no, I don't think so ... huh ... OK, well I'm sure Bill didn't tell me all 'cause we only had about one hour.
WM CASEY: Mr President, I only gave you a quick briefing for the NSDD (National Security Decision Directives) that we want to incorporate into the overall action directives about this subject. ADVISER #3, Caspar and I have details far beyond what I knew before January. The last administration wasn't too keen on making all of this stuff accessible to us during the briefings in November and December.
PRESIDENT: Well, I knew a little about this subject before. Back in
1970. Nixon had all of the good stuff and wanted to share it with some
of his friends. Nixon showed me some papers. Not sure about who authored them, but they ... huh ... well something about New Mexico and other places. Nixon was pretty ... huh ... well, you know, fascinated with it. He showed me something, some kind of object or device that came from one of their craft. Something that was taken from the New Mexico crash site. I don't know if, well ... huh ... do we know what it was? I don't think we knew or maybe now, after 11 years, we might know.
The CARETAKER: Mr President, I can answer some of those questions. Do you wish for me to begin?
PRESIDENT: Oh, well, what level is this? I mean, what was it called? I don't remember what they called this.
WM CASEY: Mr President, codeword. It's called Top Secret Codeword. This information is beyond Top Secret as I said before. It has its own classification. It is very compartmentalized.
PRESIDENT: Well, I guess just the minimum. Are we recording this?
The CARETAKER: Mr President, no, unless you wish.
WM CASEY: Yes, it is [CIA FEMALE TRANSCRIBER] who is doing that. I think we should. I don't want to make any mistakes later about this. ADVISER #4 should also stay, since he is one of the caretakers of the information.
PRESIDENT: Well, I don't want anyone leaking this stuff. Not knowing what we are about to discuss ... huh ... oh, well, Bill I guess it is your call. ADVISER #4 should stay. I guess he should ... huh ... oh, OK, well, you make the call, Bill.
WM CASEY: OK, I guess ADVISER #4 will stay. But I think [CIA FEMALE TRANSCRIBER] must stay. I'll make that call.
PRESIDENT: OK, I guess we can do our business first, give me a few
minutes. Let's get some food first, or snacks. How long will ... huh ...
oh, about one hour?
The CARETAKER: Mr President, I estimate this will last about one hour, at least the first part of it. This is a very complicated subject to
brief. I can do it, but maybe the questions will extend [beyond the
first] the time period.
PRESIDENT: OK, I see. Let's take a break and then reconvene.
(Break)
The CARETAKER: OK, Mr President, are we ready?
PRESIDENT: Yes, we are, let's go.
The CARETAKER: Mr President, as was mentioned earlier, I must say, that this briefing has the highest classification within the U.S. government. I will start with a slide presentation. I have most of this briefing on the slides, but I also have an outline that I have passed out to each [person] in attendance.
PRESIDENT: Oh, OK, so are we ... can we follow it with the [outline]
paper?
The CARETAKER: Yes, Mr President, you can follow the briefing with the outline in front of you.
PRESIDENT: Thank you.
The CARETAKER: The United States of America has been visited by
Extraterrestrial Visitors since 1947. We have proof of that. However, we also have some proof that Earth has been visited for many THOUSANDS OF YEARS by various races of Extraterrestrial Visitors. Mr President, I'll just refer to those visits as ETs. In July, 1947, a remarkable event occurred in New Mexico. During a storm, two ET spacecraft crashed. One crashed southwest of Corona, New Mexico and one crashed near Datil, New Mexico. The U.S. Army eventually found both sites and recovered all of the debris and one live Alien. I'll refer to this live Alien as "EBE 1."
PRESIDENT: What does that mean? Do we have codes or a special
terminology for this?
The CARETAKER: Mr President, EBE means "Extraterrestrial Biological Entity." It was a code designated to this creature by the U.S. Army back in those days. This creature was not human and we had to decide on a term for it. So, scientists designated the creature as EBE 1. We also referred to it as "Noah." There was different terminology used by various aspects of the U.S. military and intelligence community back then.
PRESIDENT: Do we or did we have others? The number "1" would seem to indicate we had others.
The CARETAKER: Yes, we had others. Back then, the term was EBE and no number designation. We'll explain how the others came into our knowledge.
PRESIDENT: OK, sorry, I was just wondering and I guess, well, I'm sure the briefing will cover this. Please continue.
The CARETAKER: All the debris and EBEs recovered from the first crash site were taken to Roswell Army Air Field, Roswell, New Mexico. EBE was treated for some minor injuries and then taken to Los Alamos National Laboratories, which was the safest and most secure location in the world. Special accommodations were made for EBE. The debris was eventually transferred to Dayton, Ohio, home of the Air Force Foreign Technology Division. The second crash site wasn't discovered until 1949 by some ranchers. There were no live Aliens at this site. All this debris went to Sandia Army Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
PRESIDENT: OK, a question, regarding the first site, how many aliens were in the spaceship?
The CARETAKER: Five (5) dead aliens and one (1) alive. The bodies of the dead aliens were transported to Wright Field in Ohio and kept in a form of deep freeze. They were later transported to Los Alamos where special containers were made to keep the bodies from decaying.
There were four (4) dead aliens in the second crash site. Those bodies
were in an advanced state of decaying. They had been in the desert for
the past two (2) years. Animals and time got to those bodies. The
remains were transported to Sandia Base and eventually onto Los Alamos. We determined both crashed spaceships were of similar design and the bodies of the aliens were all identical. They looked exactly the same. They had the same height, weight and physical features. Here are the photographs of the aliens.
(Pause)
PRESIDENT: Can we classify them? I mean can we ... well, connect them with anything Earthly?
The CARETAKER: No, Mr President. They don't have any similar
characteristics of a human, with exception of there eyes, ears and a
mouth. Their internal body organs are different. Their skin is
different, their eyes, ears and even breathing is different. Their blood
wasn't red and their brain was entirely different from human. We could not classify any part of the Aliens with humans. They had blood and skin, although considerably different than human skin. Their eyes had two different eyelids. Probably because their home planet was very bright.
PRESIDENT: Maybe I'm getting ahead, but do we know where they came from? Mars, our system or where?
The CARETAKER: Yes, Mr President, we do know where they come from. I can go into this now, or I can wait until it comes up in the briefing.
PRESIDENT: No, no, please, continue. I can wait.
The CARETAKER: Thank you, Mr President. EBE stayed alive until 1952 when it died. We learned a great deal from EBE. Although EBE did not have voice organs like humans, it was able to communicate with an operation performed by military doctors. EBE was extremely intelligent. It learned English quickly, mainly by listening to the military personnel who were responsible for EBE's safety and care.
EBE was housed in a special area at Los Alamos and Sandia Base. Although many different military doctors, scientists and a select number of civilians studied EBE, it never became upset or angry. EBE helped us learn from all the items found in the two crash sites. EBE showed us how some of the items worked, such as a communications device. It also showed us how various other devices worked.
PRESIDENT: Excuse me, but you are referring to this creature as an IT. Did it have a gender?
The CARETAKER: I'm sorry Mr President, but yes, it was male. Within EBE's race they had males and females.
PRESIDENT: OK, thank you. Please continue.
The CARETAKER: Thank you, Mr President. EBE died of what military doctors considered natural causes. I don't think we could really state exactly why EBE died. Although we had five (5) years to study EBE, we didn't have any standards to compare EBE's body with standard medical observations. It was difficult to lose EBE, since it was the most interesting thing we as humans could receive and study. A visitor from another planet ... ANOTHER WORLD. EBE did explain where he lives in the universe. We call this star system Zeta Reticuli, which is about 40 light-years [38.42] from Earth. EBE's planet was within this star system.
PRESIDENT: OK, where is this in comparison to something we all know?
The CARETAKER: Well, Mr President, our closet star is four light-years away. I can show you the constellation it is in. [Alpha Centauri, a yellow star, is the brightest star in the constellation Centaurus, 4.3 light-years away]
PRESIDENT: No, I wouldn't know much about astronomy. I just thought I could understand the distance. How long did it take this spaceship to get here?
The CARETAKER: Well, Mr President, I can tell you now or we can discuss that in another briefing. As Mr Casey said, this is a complicated subject because there are many levels of compartmentalization. This briefing is just the basic information about a visit to our planet by one particular alien race.
PRESIDENT: Well ... huh ... what, am I to understand ... this isn't a
full briefing?
WM CASEY: Mr President, we have different levels of stuff. If we mix it up, I don't think it will make sense, nor will we have time this
morning. I understand you have a busy schedule today.
PRESIDENT: As the President of the United States, I should know
EVERYTHING, right, or shouldn't I? If I am to assume this was a briefing of substance, then I should hear ALL of it. I think this is more
important than some other things on my daily calendar. But maybe I'm
jumping the gun. If there are some things I shouldn't know, please tell
me.
WM CASEY: No, no, Mr President, I didn't mean you shouldn't know this stuff. I simply meant we should proceed in an orderly fashion as to the briefing. But it is up to you. We will not hold anything back.
PRESIDENT: ADVISER #1, what do you think? Do you know about all this?
ADVISER #1: Mr President, yes, I was briefed many times on this subject matter. As Director Casey stated, this is a very, very complicated subject. I think it took me about one year to be fully briefed into all aspects of this matter. There are different areas. The initial crash, an investigative period, some attempt at contact, A DISINFORMATION OPERATION to protect this matter and several other levels.
PRESIDENT: Oh, wow, I didn't realize how complicated this was. I'm new at [all of] this. I have a great responsibility to the citizens of this
nation to make decisions based on accurate information presented by my advisers ... YOU, ALL of you. I won't interfere in your presentation of this information. So, I guess, we'll proceed in the order you have chosen. I'm sorry for interrupting in this presentation, but as a person who is interested beyond belief in this, I'll just shut up and wait to ask questions.
WM CASEY: Mr President. No, no, please ask any questions you wish. You are the President. We are not here to argue with you over the order of this briefing. But some things are SO HIGHLY CLASSIFIED that THIS BRIEFING IS THE LOWEST LEVEL. If you ask a question that is in a different level, then we will have to re-evaluate the audience.
ADVISER #1: Mr President. Everything we know about Alien visitation to Earth is contained in 16 (sixteen) volumes of binders. These binders contain thousands of pages. We can give you anything you wish but, as Director Casey said, we must evaluate the clearances of each person listening to our responses.
PRESIDENT: OK, I now understand. Give me whatever you want and I'll continue to ask questions. But if you need me to wait on an answer, just tell me.
WM CASEY: OK, Mr President we will do that. I still don't know the
entire story. I have read one tenth of one binder and have hundreds of
questions.
PRESIDENT: OK, let's continue.
The CARETAKER: Mr President, thank you for those responses. I will answer any question, if I can. But if the question is above this level, then Director Casey will have to make that decision for me.
PRESIDENT: I fully understand, please continue.
The CARETAKER: It took the EBE spaceship nine (9) of our months to travel the 40 [38.42] light-years. Now, as you can see, that would mean the EBE spaceship traveled faster than the speed of light. But, this is where it gets really technical. Their spaceships can travel through a form of "space tunnels" that gets them from point "A" to point "B" faster without having to travel at the speed of light. I cannot fully understand how they travel, but we have many top scientists who can understand their concept.
PRESIDENT: Well, I certainly couldn't understand the science in that. Is it a black hole?
The CARETAKER: Mr President, something like that, but much more
complicated.
PRESIDENT: Do they get here ... no never mind, please continue.
[unintelligible]
WM CASEY: Mr President, I can assure we know how they do it, but we can't do it.
PRESIDENT: OK. (several speaking at once)
The CARETAKER: As to some history. The original project, started back in 1947, was called "Project GLEEM." This project contained volumes of documented information collected from the beginning of our investigation of UFOs and Identified Alien Craft, or "IAC." The project was originally established in the early '50s by, first President Truman and then by order of President Eisenhower, under control of the National Security Council. President Truman established a group of people to handle this project. The group was called Majority 12 or "MJ-12." In 1966, the project's name was changed to "Aquarius." The project was funded by confidential ["black world"] funds appropriated within the intelligence community's budget. The recovery of these alien spacecraft led the United States on an extensive investigative program to determine whether these aliens posed a direct threat to our National Security. As you might remember, Mr President, our country openly investigated UFO sightings under projects Grudge, Sign and finally Blue Book. The original mission of the Air Force program was to collect and analyze all reported sightings and incidents involving UFOs and then determine whether the information could be interpreted as having any bearing on the national security of the United States. Some information was evaluated with the idea of using the gained data to advance our own space technology and future space programs. About 90% of the estimated 12,000 reports analyzed by the Air Force under Blue Book were considered hoaxes, explained aerial phenomena or astronomical objects. The other 10% were considered legitimate alien sightings and/or incidents. However, not all UFO sightings or incidents were reported under the Air Force programs of Grudge, Sign and Blue Book. In 1953, Project Gleem initiated its own investigative detail and certain sightings were reported directly under Gleem rather than one of the other projects. Project Gleem, which became "Project AQUARIUS" in 1966, was a parallel reporting system for UFO sightings and incidents. Reports collected under Project Aquarius were considered actual sightings of alien spacecraft or actual contacts with alien life forms. We recovered two alien spacecraft from New Mexico. Both were heavily damaged, but we were able to examine them. The two craft were considered technological marvels by our scientists. However, the operating
instrumentation was so advanced that our scientists could not decipher
it. The two craft were stored in a special security location in the
West. We gained a large volume of technological data from these craft. Several independent scientific investigations, at the request of the Air Force and CIA were initiated during the era of "Project Blue Book." MJ-12 decided that officially the Air Force should end their
investigation of UFO sightings. This decision was arrived at during the NPNN meeting in 1966. The reason was two fold. First, the United States had established communications with the aliens.
PRESIDENT: Hold on, OK ... well, Bill, no ... never mind, please
continue.
WM CASEY: Mr President, the communications project is of a higher level. I recommend we continue on this course and then switch to the next, if we have time.
PRESIDENT: OK, you're steering the boat, Bill.
The CARETAKER: The United States felt relatively sure the aliens'
exploration of Earth was non-aggressive and non-hostile. It was also
established that the aliens' presence did not directly threaten the
security of the United States. Secondly, the public was beginning to
believe that UFOs were real. The NSC felt this public feeling could lead to a nationwide panic if we disclosed everything we knew about UFOs and alien visitation. We were involved in one major operation during this time frame that involved our alien visitors. That operation is of a higher level and it will be up to Director Casey to proceed now or wait until later.
WM CASEY: We'll wait on that part of it. I haven't been fully briefed
and I would like to be able to know everything about that program before trying to brief the President.
ADVISER #1: I agree with Director Casey. That part of the program is really complicated and will require a full day to brief.
PRESIDENT: OK, as I said before, Bill's the captain of this ship.
The CARETAKER: It was felt that public awareness of these projects would have jeopardized the future space program of the United States.
Releasing our secrets about UFOs and alien visitation would also cause a PANIC AMONG RELIGIOUS LEADERS around the world. Therefore, MJ-12 decided that an independent scientific study of the UFO phenomena would be needed to satisfy the public curiosity. The final official study of the UFO phenomena was accomplished by the University of Colorado under an air force contract. The study concluded that sufficient data did not exist that would indicate that UFOs threatened the security of the United States. The final conclusion satisfied the Government and allowed the Air Force to officially step out of the UFO investigating business.
When the Air Force officially closed "Blue Book" in December 1969,
Project Aquarius continued operation under control of NSC/MJ-12. The NSC felt investigation of UFO sightings and incidents had to continue in secrecy without any public knowledge. The reasoning behind the decision was this: If the Air Force continued its investigation of UFOs, eventually some non-cleared and non-briefed Air Force or DOD civilian officials would obtain the facts behind Project Aquarius. Obviously, for operational security reasons, this could not be allowed. In order to continue the investigation of UFO sightings and incidents in secrecy, investigators from CIA/DCE and MJ-12 were assigned to military investigative units with orders to investigate all legitimate UFO/IAC sightings and incidents. These agents are presently operating at various locations throughout the U.S. and Canada. All reports are filtered either directly or indirectly to MJ-12. These agents are collecting reports of UFO/IAC sightings and incidents occurring on or near sensitive governmental installations.
Many reported sightings and incidents have occurred over nuclear weapons bases. The aliens' interest in our nuclear weapons can only be
attributed to the future threat of a nuclear war on Earth that could
affect space. The Air Force has initiated measures to assure the
security of the nuclear weapons from alien theft or destruction. MJ-12
feels confident that the aliens are on an exploration of our solar
system for peaceful purposes. However, we do have information and that is at another level, that more than one alien species are visiting
Earth.
PRESIDENT: Well, that is a lot to digest. I have written down many
questions. But let's take a break and come back to this.
(Break)
PRESIDENT: I think we can continue now.
The CARETAKER: Thank you, Mr President. I will continue. In the 1976 MJ-12 report, it was estimated that the aliens' technology was many thousands of years ahead of ours. Our scientists speculated that until our technology develops to a level equal to the aliens, we cannot
understand the large volume of scientific information we have gained
from the aliens' craft. This advancement of our technology may take many hundreds of years. During our initial program to study the alien's spaceship, we started many different projects. The first project, originally established in 1949, was to collect and evaluate medical information from the surviving alien creature -- EBE 1 and the recovered alien bodies. This project medically examined EBE 1 and provided our medical researchers with many answers to the evolution theories. The next project originally established as part of Project Gleem in 1954 became a separate project in 1966. Its mission was to establish communication with aliens. This project met with positive success and will be discussed later under a different level. Two other projects involved the test flying of an alien ship and the cross technology between our space program and the information we obtained from EBE 1.
WM CASEY: Now, Mr President, we can move on to questions or a different level. Which do you prefer?
PRESIDENT: Well, I have a lot of questions, so let me ask a few and then we can move on. I guess the first question I have is their life span. How old is EBE 1?
The CARETAKER: Mr President, the alien civilization that EBE came from [is what] we call the Eben Society. It wasn't a name they gave us; it was a name we chose. Their life span is between 350-400 years, but that is Earth years.
PRESIDENT: Is time the same on their planet as on ours?
The CARETAKER: No, Mr President, time is very different on the Eben Planet, which, by the way, we call SERPO. Their day is approximately 40 hours. That is measured by the movement of their two (2) suns. The solar system containing SERPO is a binary star system, or two suns, rather than one, like our solar system.
PRESIDENT: Oh, well, your answer creates more questions. OK, as I
understand it, their planet has two suns. Wouldn't that mean the planet
was hot? I guess that explains their eyes, having two eyelids.
The CARETAKER: Yes, Mr President. Their suns do not set, like ours. There is daylight during their entire day, with the exception of a short time period where both suns hit the horizon.
PRESIDENT: What is life like on Serpico?
The CARETAKER: Mr President, it is called SERPO, spelled S-E-R-P-O. I think that will have to be given in a different level of briefings. Mr Director....
WM CASEY: Yes, Mr President, I think we are getting way ahead of
ourselves. We have all that information about the visitor's planet, but
we would have to present that information in a different briefing.
PRESIDENT: OK, all these levels. Something, I guess, I'll have to ...
well, I'll have to get used to it. Does all classified information have
these different levels?
WM CASEY: It is similar to the SIOP briefing you were given in January. We have different levels of clearances and....
PRESIDENT: No, I understand all that, Bill. I fully understand the
different levels of clearances. I mean, what about the Soviets? What
about the spy operations we have in Russia, comparing the two, this
alien information to that, are they on the same level?
WM CASEY: No, Mr President. This information would be considered at the very top, whereas our spying operation inside Russia would be considered at a parallel level, but not the same.
PRESIDENT: Like apples and oranges, OK, I see. I guess this is more that can be explained in one sitting. What about the travel from SERPO to Earth?
The CARETAKER: Well, Mr President, the distance from Earth to SERPO is about 40 light-years. They can travel that in about nine (9) of our months. I am no scientist, but as I mentioned earlier, they can travel that great distance by means of space tunnels. They seem to be able to bend the distance from one point in space to another. Just how they do this, must be explained scientifically.
PRESIDENT: OK, well, very interesting. Are the laws of physics on their planet the same as our planet?
The CARETAKER: Not exactly. There seem to be a little different laws, especially when it comes to the movement of their planet in relationship to their two suns. Our scientists don't understand it because it defies some of our laws of physics.
PRESIDENT: Do they use nuclear power, or what type of power do they have in those ships?
The CARETAKER: Mr President, we understand very little about their propulsion system. There seem to be two different propulsion systems. One they use within our atmosphere and one they use once they exit our atmosphere. They do not have nuclear power. Their propulsion system does have some type of low level radiation emissions, but nothing that would endanger us. It isn't like our radiation, but we call it radiation because we have nothing else to compare it with.
PRESIDENT: Have these aliens visited other places on earth?
The CARETAKER: Again, Mr President, that would be in a different level of discussion.
PRESIDENT: I'm getting tired of hearing that answer, but I understand.
WM CASEY: Mr President, the Soviet Union has had their contacts with these aliens. We have a great deal of intelligence that would indicate the Soviets had their "Roswell," so to speak. What they know is about the same as we know. They had some bodies back in the late '50s, but our intelligence would indicate the species of aliens were different. [SEE: http://www.serpo.org/release26a.asp]
PRESIDENT: OK, well, then Bill, that presents a very disturbing feeling for me. Are you telling me there are different races or species, as you said, visiting Earth at the same time?
WM CASEY: CARETAKER, take that question.
The CARETAKER: Yes, Mr President, but I hesitate to state the reason. We should have that discussion in a different meeting.
PRESIDENT: Just answer the simple question of how many different
species, don't go into details, since I'm sure it is at "a different
level," as I've been hearing ALL morning!
The CARETAKER: I am sorry Mr President if I upset you....
PRESIDENT: No, no, Caretaker, don't feel that way. I am not upset. No, you are all of my advisers. As President, I must listen to YOU and take YOUR advice. I am NOT upset. I'm sorry for giving you that impression. Can you tell me how many different species have visited us?
The CARETAKER: Mr Director?
WM CASEY: Go ahead, Caretaker, answer the President's question.
The CARETAKER: At least five (5).
PRESIDENT: Are they all friendly?
The CARETAKER: Mr Director?
WM CASEY: Adviser #1, would you like to step in here?
ADVISER #1: Mr President, that is a very difficult question to answer. There are many parameters that we follow to evaluate the threat. However, we have little intelligence on four (4) of the five (5). We have plenty of intel on the Ebens ... gee ... they've given us
everything we asked for! They have also helped us to understand the
other four (4) species. I'm afraid to say, Mr President and please don't
misunderstand my words, but we think ONE OF THE SPECIES IS VERY HOSTILE.
WM CASEY: Mr President, do you wish for us to continue on this track or would you like something more private, as to the discussion of this topic?
PRESIDENT: For Christ sakes, I'm the President of the United States. I should know if we are endangered by some THREAT FROM OUTER SPACE. If you have something to say about a threat posed by this one species of aliens, then I WANT TO HEAR IT.
WM CASEY: Mr President, we have intelligence that would indicate this one (1) species of aliens have ABDUCTED PEOPLE FROM EARTH. They have performed scientific and medical tests on these humans. To the best of our knowledge, NO humans have been killed. But, as ADVISER #1 stated, the intelligence is from witnesses and we haven't thoroughly evaluated this intelligence. We have captured one of these hostile aliens. This gets into some very, very sensitive areas, Mr President. I strongly suggest we end this discussion and move on to any further questions you might have and then get back to this. I don't think we are prepared to provide you with accurate answers to your questions about the potentially hostile aliens at this time.
PRESIDENT: OK, but expect this to be given to me as soon as possible. I want to KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THESE HOSTILE CREATURES so I ... or I mean we should start forming policies on how to deal with them. Adviser #1, do we have OPERATIONAL WAR PLANS on this?
ADVISER #1: Yes, Mr President, we have war plans on ALL potential threats to our country.
PRESIDENT: Please, let us not forget the world. If these creatures
attack some other country, we would have to help.
ADVISER #1: Mr President, we have absolutely NO evidence that this particular alien race has any plans to attack the United States of
America or planet Earth.
PRESIDENT: I guess we really got off the original subject. But I want to know of any threats. DON'T HIDE ANYTHING FROM ME! Is that understood?
WM CASEY: Yes, Sir.
ADVISER #1: Yes, Sir, Mr President. We will NEVER hide any information about a potential threat to our country or the world. You receive daily intel briefings and you will continue to and we can update that briefing with any potential threat from this area.
PRESIDENT: OK, let us continue. How many other presidents received this briefing?
The CARETAKER: Mr President, I have briefed President Nixon, Ford and you. President Carter was never given the entire briefing. I have no answer as to why he wasn't given the briefing.
PRESIDENT: Well, knowing that guy, he probably couldn't understand it being from Georgia! But that is just a dry joke.... (laughter heard in room)....
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