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I need help with a KEELY project GÂ’day all,I need your help.For many years there has always been something in the back of my mind nagging me about KeelyÂ’s system.
Only now did I come to grips with what it was.As you perhaps know in KeelyÂ’s later machines the liberator and the motor communicate with each other via two independent circuits.
One is the direct connection by wire or tube, the other one, what Keely calls the diatonic scale rings that are seemingly identical and are fitted to both devices.This is a photograph of the motor and liberatorThe liberator is the small device in the left foreground.
Here is a picture of the liberator on its ownNote the diatonic scale ring on the bottom.I have also a photograph of the diatonic scale ring in my collection.
The device in the photo has obviously been damaged.
Some of the resonators are bent, others appear to be broken.In an attempt to analyse the scale I took the distortion out of the picture with the comparatively crude software at my disposal and suddenly it became clear to me had been bothering me for so long.In spite of its name it is not a diatonic scale keely shaye smith weight gain all along the lines that Keely constructed all other scales (thirds) but appears to be a logarithmic spiral.Seemingly all notes of the scale are represented, in contradiction to most of what he is saying elsewhere about discords.I need someone with better software and more expertise in these matters than me to take the distortions out of the picture which will hopefully enable me to make relative measurements and come up with the algorithm that Keely used in its construction.Here is the original photo and the reworked one so you can see what I mean.It has long been my contention that Keely achieved the extremely high frequencies he was working with through some sort of acoustic regenerative feedback.
For my thoughts on the matter see http://www.keelytech.com/regenerative.htmlI believe the scale in question was KeelyÂ’s attempt to control the feedback and prevent runaway frequencies that, as you perhaps know, plague that sort of system.Even with all the wizardry of modern electronics this is still a problem awaiting a satisfactory solution.I believe that all of KeelyÂ’s difficulties in trying to control runaway speeds and reversions are due to his inability to come to grips with that particular problem.A point worth mentioning here is keely shaye smith weight gain I consider the key to that ring of resonators an important step towards understanding Keely's scales.Even on my crude attempt to take the distortion out there is a noteworthy aspect.Assuming all resonators are made from the same piece of drawn wire, which appears to be the case and is logical, and taking the longest wire as the fundamental of the scale, something appears from the relationship between the resonators that could give us a vital clue to Keely's scale construction.The longest resonator seems to be exactly times as long as the shortest, which will give us sixths.
The resonator an octave above keely shaye smith weight gain shortest is then set on thirds.
About the ones in between I can only speculate at the moment.We have now a unique graphic illustration of Keely's approach.
Assuming then that the largest keely shaye smith weight gain is set to B-flat, as would seem logical, the unscrambling of the other notes would appear to be important.I appreciate that Keely's B-flat is not determinable as we do not know which concert pitch he used.
A=440 was not generally introduced until the 1950's and is still not in universal keely shaye smith weight gain is almost certain to have used something different.Nevertheless here is a real chance to learn something, at least in my view.So, if some of you are interested in helping me to solve this puzzle please offer your suggestions.Hans von Lieven
G'day all,Come on boys, lend a hand with this one.
Surely on a forum such as this there is someone who knows something about the kind of computer programmes that can do a job of this sort.
I know these programmes exist, I just don't know where keely shaye smith weight gain start looking for one, or for someone that can do the job.Hans von Lieven
keely shaye smith weight gain cannot assist you with the computer program but I offer the following as a means for determining the proper dimensions of the rods and the scale which was more than likely used by Keely.Remember Keely was serious about the use of the numbers 3,6,and 9.
They are of great importance!
All of the numbers in the scale provided keely shaye smith weight gain be reduced to one of these three numbers.
Ie. 369Hz - (3+6+9=18 - 1+8=9), 417Hz - (4+1+7=12 - keely shaye smith weight gain relates to Vedic Mathematics, which would have probably been used to make the enormous calculations he surely needed to make.The Scale: SolfeggioUt = 396HzRe = 417HzMi = 528HzFa = 639HzSol = 741HzLa = 852HzTwo good books which have pretty good information regarding logarithmic spirals are:(lots of math) The Fabulous Fibonnacci Numbers - ISBN: 978-1-59102-475-0andSacred Geometry - ISBN: 0-500-81030-3It should also be remembered that Keely used a process by which he "graduated" parts of his devices, I assume this applies to these rods as well.
That being said obtaining the proper dimensions should not be interpreted as the end, as graduation is also required!I hope you find this useful.Regards
Thanks for your input Erfinder,I am well aware of Keely's graduation.
If you have a keely shaye smith weight gain at my website you will find my ideas on what Keely did to achieve the purity of resonance required for his system to work.I am, on this one aspect, interested in the exact algorithm used to compute this specific scale.
Once I know even roughly what the relationships are between the individual notes, I am sure I can find a mathematician who could come with the equation.
I am not so sure that the algorithm can be arrived at by Fadic addition.I will look closer into your suggestion.
Thanks a lot, I need all the help I can get.
:-)Hans von Lieven
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HI everyone,I'm a new member but a long time keely shaye smith weight gain of this forum.perhaps, you should take the math out of this enigma and seek a musician to shed some light on the diatonic scale of Keely.
It seems (only from the photo's) that these wires may be 'plucked' to discern the coordination of the pitches and then someone with a seasoned ear (a musician) can better describe the relationships of the pitches.Also, I read that Keely was sold on the "magical" properties of Bb.
If you re insert math portion of music, you will see a fairly close similarity of the frequency of Bb and the Frequency of the Earth being just under 8hz Although the keely shaye smith weight gain resonates several Octaves below the usable music scale.
This can be visualized by the fact that string when plucked will produce a pitch with keely shaye smith weight gain frequency and if you double the length of the string, the frequency will be divided in half.
And proprtionaltely, if you divide the string in half, the frequency will double.Take note that an object will resonate with a frequency that is proportionate to it's size.
The string used in A above middle C on a piano woll resonate @440 Hz while the size of the Earth, Being Much larger, will have a significantly lower frequency.As to the confusion about exactly what frequency Mr.
Keely used to tune his Bb, take note that Modern tuning has progressively gone flat.
Meaning, The A 440Hz of today Had a higher frequency during say Mozart's time.
And the Bb during Keely's life would be slightly Higher pitched than todays Bb.If you havn't to the conclusion by now, I am a musician by profession and a avid admirer of the sciences.
G'day all,Thank you for your efforts.
Thanks Gothic for the link, I will download the programme today and see what I can do with it.As to Brahma, If you have a look at my website http://www.keelytech.com you will find my thoughts on B-flat.
You will also find what I am thinking about harmonics and so forth.
I am very interested in the fact that you are a musician.Keely was a musician, a very gifted one by contemporary accounts, who studied under his grandfather who was a Kapellmeister (manager and conductor of an orchestra) in Baden Baden before emigrating to the US.It is my guess that Keely's grandfather's early career was that of an organist, a common career path in those days, and that Keely acquired his extensive knowledge of organs and their construction and the behaviour of sound in organ pipes from him.Keely also seemed to have an intimate knowledge about enharmonic scales, which is not all that common amongst musicians.This leads me to suspect that his grandfather played an organ that had two black keys between the whites, if you keely shaye smith weight gain what I mean.There are not many such instruments in the keely shaye smith weight gain I have ever only seen two of them and unfortunately was not allowed to play them so I can talk only from theory rather than experience.
:-(You say that an object will resonate with a frequency that is proportional keely shaye smith weight gain its size.
That is strictly speaking not true.
It is true that size has a bearing on frequency but that is not the only determining factor.
Things such as the material used, the shape of the object etc.
All have a bearing on the resonant frequency of a body or cavity.An old adage of physics is: "A resonant body will accept energy at its own level of resonance and reject energy far removed from its own level of resonance" is a far more telling and precise definition.
Having said that, I do get your point.
You will never get the sound from a 6' organ pipe you from a 60' organ pipe.
:-)Please stay in touch Brahma, I am interested in your ideas.And thanks for your contribution.Hans von Lieven
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keely shaye smith weight gain Hi Hans,I can't help you with the computer program, but I can tell you that knowing that the center is a circle is not enough information to undo the perspective transform and create a face-on view.
There are many perspectives that would produce the same ellipse in a photograph.If you know that all the angles between the resonators are supposed to be the same, then that _is_ enough information.
You could measure the endpoints and some other point on each of the resonators in your photo, put the coordinates into a spreadsheet along with the major an minor axes of the apparent ellipse at the center, and fit an inverse perspective transform to produce a circle at the center with equal angles between the resonators, along with the coordinates of the endpoints in a face-on view.Cheers,Mr.
Entropy
Thanks Entropy,I know that my crude effort is nowhere near satisfactory, I only put it out there to show what I had in mind.I also know that there are programmes available that can take the perspective out of the picture and create a properly proportioned image.
Unfortunately the only people I know of that have that kind of software are NASA and they aren't answering.
:-(In the meantime we might have to resort to your approach.Hans von Lieven
@ hansvonlievenI suggest obtaining some piano wire, tempered, not anealed, and just shooting from the hip with a spiral arrangement based on the "Golden Spiral".
I suspect that the arrangement of the wires as shown - being a flat spiral - is a key aspect of the device.
Spirals imply a vortical aspect.
The Golden Spiral was identified in exploraation of the "Oregon Vortex" - an naturally occuring site in Oregon, USA.Also, you do know that when Keely first dissociated water he was hurt by the explosion and I believe he calculated the pressure at 25,000 psi - (might have that totally wrong).
I recommend dissociating a drop on the head of a pin and not a cup full of water.
Hi Hans,have not studied Keely yet,but saw a picture somewhere, that after his death theydiscovered beneath his floor some faking devices where hegot his pressure from ?So was it a fake or not ?
keely shaye smith weight gain keely shaye smith weight gain Dale Pond has alot of info on the Keely motor and a forum of builders dedicated to this motor.Dale is without a doubt the first authority on Keely's works .
He has dedicated his life to Keely's work.Here are the replicationshttp://www.svpvril.com/He is the Galleryhttp://www.svpvril.com/JKMotor/index.htmlHere is Dale's Forumhttp://svpvril.com/phpbb2/index.phpHere and old lecture by Dale Pondhttp://earthharmonics.blogspot.com/2007/04/dale-ponds-on-john-worrel-keely.html
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G'day Ironhead and all,Thanks for the links.
I know Dale Pond, he is aware of my work and I am of his.As a matter of fact he was the first person I approached with the above problem.
For those interested, here are Dale's comments on the matter.http://svpvril.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=2478#2478 This is on Dale Pond's forumHans von Lieven
G'day Stefan,Whilst it is true that after Keely's keely shaye smith weight gain he was accused of fraud, it is also true that the people that accused him thus had much to gain by it.Keely in his career had built over 2000 devices in his workshop in Philadelphia.
Of course he had compressed air facilities as well as other motors there.The motor in the picture on the top had been demonstrated running not only in Keely's workshop but also in front thousands of people at the Philadelphia World Exhibition.
I seriously doubt that the organisers of the event would have permitted Keely to conceal a compressed air sphere underneath his stand in order to deceive the public.Keely disassembled his motor on many occasions to show its construction.
Photographs the open motors exist.
There is no mechanism there for compressed air to act upon.
In fact the people that accused Keely of fraud at the time were in possession of keely shaye smith weight gain machines but at no stage showed the alleged drive mechanism like a piston or an air turbine that they claimed was there.Keely's keely shaye smith weight gain as well as his voluminous writings and manuscripts disappeared after Keely's death never to be seen again.No, Stefan, after over 30 years of research I am convinced we are dealing here with a suppression of technology and not with a fraudulent Keely.Keely describes sonoluminescence, a phenomenon that was only re-discovered recently and has scientists puzzled.
Keely also held that there were enormous energies locked up in the "corpuscular embrace of matter" long before it became possible to split the atom.
It was this statement more than anything that discredited him with the scientists of his time.
He claimed to have split the atom with resonance alone and not with "corpuscular bombardment" which he had considered but rejected as too crude.
He had many explosions in his workshop that were reported in the press with far more damage than could be attributed to compressed air.I could go on for hours, but if you are interested have a look at my website where I go into detail on many aspects of Keely's work.http://keelytech.comHans von Lieven
Hi Hans,Is it possible to give me one single measure of something in the requested picture so I can make it as a direct view.Thank youGoran
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